Mon, 2017-02-06 20:58
I think this is a very interesting fight, and one which can be viewed in two very different ways. Haye vs Bellew was always a fight which was created by their personal disagreements and grudges rather than professionalism, which isn't a good thing in my opinion, then again, it is still an interesting fight, and now, it's a boxing fight we're going to see, not a bare knuckle brawl, I just hope the sportsmanship improves after the fight, I think that will be good for the sport, I think all the bad blood would be more than made up for, but I'm not confident that the bad blood will stop after the fight, because it isn't just heated arguemnts over disagreements and a personality clash, this is genuine dislike, I think Haye has a lot of anger towards a man who has very verbally disrespected him in front of many, mny people, and belittled his achievements, and Bellew, well he isn't the kind of man who can have the wool pulled over his eyes, he's also not the sort of man to say 'that's life', and acceot something which he doesn't think is fair, if he believes something isn't right, he will say so, he's very outspoken, and he feels (as do I) as if David Haye has been somewhat taking advantage of the gullibility of some British fans, and has also been given credit he doesn't deserve, talked a big talk, but not walked the walk, I think it was ridiculous fpr David Haye to have fought Mark De Mori, and Tony Bellew certainly agrees. I think some rivalry between Haye and Bellew is also created by an interest and desire they have in common, acting. I recall David Haye saying a few years ago, that he dreams of being an actor, and he has always made the most out of any opportunity he can to make himself something of a celebrity, but I've never heard him being in any major films or big TV shows, however, despite seeming merely out spoken and quite a character prior to this, most boxing followers know that Tony Bellew landed himself a role in 'creed' last year, a movie starring Sylvester Stallone, now that is a massive honor for any fighter, surely, and a huge opportunity, I'm sure Haye is very envious, and he would do himself more favours by doing the admirable thing in admitting that, he hasn't done anything like that, he has made Bellew's achievement seem like nothing like the big deal it was, he said 'you were playing yourself', when they were on SkySports together, and when a fighter gets a role like this, in that kind of big movie, you have to be impressed, maybe there were some sour grapes there, which just adds to the tension, and just builds up this grudge match even more.
I think Tony Bellew will win this fight, I think he's the figher who's still in his prime, he's been the much, much more active over the last few years, and I believe he's going to come out on top. I think although Haye and Bellew are two massive punchers, and two guys who can both be hurt, they do have very different styles, and very different strengths and weaknesses. David Haye, power wise, has always been underrated in my opinion, he is a massive pucnher, his KO ratio is impressive, and I think he's taken that power right up with him as he's become a more mature heavyweight, then again, all we have to go on there was that terribly one sided, quite pointless fight against Mark De Mori, and a better but still badly matched contest against Arnold Gjergjaj, but Haye is a concussive puncher, ans it isn't his only attribute. Haye is the kind of fighter who makes full use of both speed and power in both hands, and his general rhythm is very hard to break, but he can really come apart when a fighter finds his chin with their own power, or even just when a fighter can find a way around Haye's skills, Bellew, on the other hand, has the best brought out of him when he's challenged, he's not the kind of fighter who it is impossible to have meaningful success against, but he doesn't decline mentally or physically down the stretch of fights, he is extremely durable, extremely adaptble, and is dangerous throughout fights, his technical skills are great, his jab is fantastic, but the accuracy of his power shots which helps him use 100% of his potential power is what I think is the main thing which makes him such a good fighter. David Haye will train hard for any fight, and beat every opponent in the best way he can, he isn't a very decieving fighter, and as we saw against Arnold Gjergjaj, if he knows he is levels above his opponent, he will show everyone, Bellew, on the other hand, I believe, takes a fight as seriously as he believes it should be taken, I think he trains as hard as he believes the fight is, I think he will look sluggish, and uneducated against an opponent who can't challange him, he'll get the win, he'll probably get the stoppage, but he won't impress, and then when he faces a big name, or maybe just an opponent who he believes should be taken seriously, he's a very different fighter, I wasn't really impressed by any of Bellew's performances betweem Cleverly and Makabu, but then when he stepped up and fought Ilunga Makabu for the IBF title, I predicted him to lose the fight, but he rose to the occasion, looked great, and won that fight and then some, that showed me that Tony Bellew is very much a fighter who rises to the occasion. I think before Bellew has had the best brought out of him, Haye's establishment in the heavyweight division will be the biggest difference, and he will domiante the early rounds, I can see him knocking Bellew down at least once, and being a long way ahead after six rounds. I can see Bellew becoming more motivated as this fight goes on, I think Haye will tire, and both fighters will be digging deep, but Bellew will come out on top, and in the end, we will see the best Tony Bellew, he will capitalise upon Haye's weaknesses, and get the knock out. Bellew is a massive underdog in this fight, and it isn't hard to see why, given that right now, David Haye isn't even a small heavyweight, sk let's forget the question of whether or not he really belongs in this division, and Bellew, well he may be a real cruiserweight, he definitely is, he may also be a particularly big cruiserweight, but he's new to the heavyweight division, and I don't believe he'll benefit from competing in the unlimited weight category, the weight situation definvery strongly suggests that Haye is going to win this fight. On the other hand, Tony Bellew has been very acfive over the past few years, I believe he's been averaging two fights per year, and he's had a very productive 2016, getting two third round knock outs against stellar opposition, Haye has had two fights in the last four years, averaging a fight every 2 years, he has had two fights in 2016 as well, but neither were productive fights, and one, should bareky be counted, it was a bit of a confidence boost at best, so activity wise, it hasn't been and still isn't looking good for Haye, the outcome of this fight could depend on how big a part the weight situation and 2012-2017 activity comparison play.
Sat, 2017-03-04 14:18
I think this is gonna be a KO within 4 rounds for Haye.
Tue, 2017-03-07 05:55
Very unfortunate for Haye, he still held his own after the freak injury and managed to win 2 rounds on my scorecard after the injury due to Bellew doing very little.
Wed, 2017-04-05 23:40
Very courageous effort by Haye.
Mon, 2017-10-02 22:38
What a fight!
I said before the fight that Bellew would win via late stoppage, and I was vindicated. Haye was the favourite, he has the weight advantage, he is known as a world level fighter, but Tony Bellew was a world champion too, I don't think Makabu is worse than Mormeck, in fact, I think he is a level above him, and Bellew has been quite active over the past few years, Haye, he was out of the ring for 4 years, he then took on a bum, and a limited opponent who couldn't last 2 rounds, and looked not for a second as though he could possibly win the fight, and 10 months between the Arnold Gjerjaj fight, and this fight, Haye was very rusty, that was inevitable, and at 36, I wasn't convinced.
Haye does a lot of the basics better than Bellew, he might have a slightly better jab, he has hand speed on Bellew, suppleness, maybe the better outside boxer, better head movement, but Bellew, he is a far, far better inside fighter than David Haye, looks can be deceiving, Bellew with his average physique, Haye looking like an Adonis, but Tony Bellew doesn't fade, nit at cruiserweight, not when he is at the right weight for him, his stamina is underrated, whilst Haye, he has been known to gas out in fights, Bellew as well, far more adaptable, when he's challenged, he thrives in the ring, not a vulnerable fighter.
I think the reason why Haye took the lead after 5 rounds is because of his weight advantage, speed, boxing ability at distance, reflexes, but I didn't change my prediction at any point in the fight, I knew Haye couldn't sustain the pace, for a 36 year old who hasn't done 12 rounds in 6 years, come in at his heaviest, had been made to miss and hit thin air several times, how could he not fade past 6?, it would be impossible. I think Haye got desperate, he was tiring, he knew he had to get Bellew out of there, and that's why in round 6, he swung wildly, threw himself off balance, did something I criticised him for before the fight, git sloppy with the feet, I didn't think he would sustain an injury like that, but there you have it, snap, and once it was gone, he had very little chance of winning, Bellew didn't have the same power as he had at 200, but he still punished Haye, in that 7th round, he was punches away from the stoppage, but I think he shouldn't have put so much into the round, because he was spent after that, which is why Haye was able to defend, land a few clean shots, and make an argument for himself in rounds 8 and 9, but Bellew, getting that second wind, having a better 10th, and round 11, knocking Haye through the ropes like that, great finish!
To the silly people who called this a mismatch, ridiculous, even before Haye sustained his injury, and he was going to fade, come apart, he was ahead, after 5 rounds, 4-1/3-2, but he had lost at least 1 round, and he wasn't have an easy time at any point, Haye was winning, but it was certainly not a mismatch, it was never going to be a mismatch!
Wed, 2017-09-20 15:47
Rematch is on the way. Date to be determined.
Mon, 2017-10-02 22:08
Bizarre that we're seeing it on a Sunday rather than a Saturday.
Tue, 2017-12-05 14:10
Back on for May 5th.
Wed, 2018-05-09 05:45
Bellew has been talking about fighting Ward and Tyson Fury after beating Haye again here. I guess he really wants another big check instead of going out on a good run. I just don't see a way these are winnable fights for Bellew, Ward is far and away too sophisticated of a boxer for Bellew and if Ward can take Kovalev's power he can definitely take Bellew's. If Fury is anywhere near a serviceable level he is huge compared to Bellew being a natural super-heavyweight with a 6-inch height advantage and 11-inch reach advantage and he has far better boxing skills than Bellew.
Wed, 2018-05-09 06:59
Both fights are unlikely to happen, Johnny Nelson, Paulie Malignaggi, Dave Coldwell (Bellew's coach) all say he should retire, it is up to Bellew missus, haha, but no I think hang up the gloves now, he has achieved so much in boxing become a British boxing legend, not world boxing legend, but a British boxing legend.
Don't write him off, because Bellew has proven most people wrong twice now, you had to be impressed with the Haye win. Bellew is still a former world champion, didn't lose his title, has beaten Haye twice now, has never lost at 200. I'd give Bellew a shot against Ward at 200, tough one to call. Timing though, I think Fury, despite tbe inactivity (certainly if he takes a warm uo first) is too big and high calibre for Bellew to beat, but do not write him off completely, because he keeps proving you all wrong, and he is a very tough opponent for Fury and Ward!
In his own right, Ward is a class above Bellew even at 200, but with the inactivity, and Ward being at a weight disadvantage (and please don't say isn't at a weight disadvantage because he walks around and/or fights heavy!), Bellew being a fighter who only gets better with a challenge, very interesting fight!
Thu, 2018-05-10 05:41
I didn't know that about Coldwell, hopefully he listens, Roy Jones was told to retire for years by his HBO colleagues and he never did. I agree, he probably is a British boxing legend, it is cool that regional rivalries inside the UK are so viable and active because that isn't really a thing in the US.
I'm not a fan of that logic personally, that because someone upsets someone they can upset someone in a class even higher. I didn't watch the second Haye fight with my full attention but Haye's movement still looked off to me. Bellew can only beat the guy in front of him though. Where do you see Bellew having an advantage over Ward? Weight/Size? I don't think there is any world Bellew can reasonably beat Fury in, the elite boxing skills and ring IQ Fury has don't go away, perhaps he will have worse reflexes and movement but he is quite young still.
Yeah, it would be a big layoff for Ward but he is not a stranger to that. Ward is definitely at a disadvantage in terms of weight, Ward was really a Light Heavyweight fighting at Super Middleweight where Bellew was really a Cruiserweight fighting at Light Heavyweight. I don't think the Ward fight can reasonably happen because the profile and payoff isn't big enough for Ward, but I actually do think the Fury fight can happen as long as Hearn and Warren can get over themselves.
Thu, 2018-05-10 09:57
I think you like 'domestic fights' more than you think.
Well no but it does suggest that you have take the fighter who caused the previous upset more seriously than before he made you eat your words. Here's the kicker, you can say "Well Haye was shot, not a big win", or "Rigondeaux was old and blown up, not a good win for Lomachenko", but for you to even have a valid argument, then you have to have predicted to happen beforenand, because when you predicted Haye to beat Bellew via UD, and predicted Lomachenko to have much more difficulty than he did, you knoew Haye was 37, well, well past his prime, and you knew Rigondeaux was at considerable weight and age disadvantages, but however you look at it, Bellew exceeded your expectations. You just answered your own question, said what I said, he is 3 inches taller, he was dead at 175, he is a beast at 200, can compete ok at heavyweight, Ward isn't naturally big for 175, he just is big enough to do well at the weight and pass for a 175lb fighter, he competed at 168 for ages, and between 175 and 200, just remember what kind of a difference that makes, 25 lbs, that is a lot! At 200, Bellew would be at a massive weight advantage. You see why I think he beats Whyte now though?
Back to Fury, as I said, first and foremost, I believe Fury is too big, too high calibre for Bellew to beat, but, coming straight off 30 months out, if Bellew has taught us anything it is what happens to fighters who take long breaks, if Fury fights, then fights Bellew, then that works in Fury's favour, but don't write Bellew off, because Fury, with all the inconsistency, substance abuse, and his mental state, you think he wouldn't really struggle agaisnt Bellew at the moment, I'm telling now, Bellew would have a chance. If Fury does everything right, and continues to, then in 2 years, Bellew wouldn't win, he admits it, that is why he is unbeaten at 200 and above, he knows when he will and won't win, he knows why he will or won't win, boxing is about timing! The fact that Fury isn't quite 30, and especially being 6'9, is why I say he can be nearly as good as he was in 2015 if he does everything right, if he was 5 years older, the return would be a bad idea I think.
Well is that something which is necessarily good for him?, would he have been better had he not take that other break? Would the Kovalev fight have happened sooner?, and on top of that, Ward is 34 now, he is not young anymore, no, if he comes back in a year's time, goes to 200, fights Bellew, he might well lose, but, on the other hand, what will the near future do for Bellew? He isn't young. Meh I don't know, I mean, think about the publicity Bellew generates, hated by fools, loved by real boxing fans, been in a Rocky movie, if Ward came back, business wise, and in terms of tne significance of the event, why not? I think they are both too clever, I think Fury wouldn't fight Bellew this year, Bellew wouldn't fight Fury any later.
Thu, 2018-05-10 10:13
I do like them as entertainment, they have good atmosphere usually, I just don't like when promotions like Matchroom oversell the importance or level of the fighters.
That's not necessarily true that you have to predict it beforehand. Boxers can have limiting factors that aren't revealed until they are in the ring. Haye definitely was over the hill, I thought he would win but from what I saw his movement did look off, I will have to watch the fight in full though. Ward isn't a naturally big fighter for 175 but he is a good sized 175 who was able to cut down to 168. There is a good amount of weight difference between Ward and Bellew but I don't think it would be as big as you are stating. I definitely don't think he beats Whyte who is a tough big natural HW, the fact Bellew has no interest in that fight kind of makes me think he doesn't believe it is possible either. Right, so you are saying Bellew can only win if Fury fights down considerably in level.
Yeah, Ward would have been better if he didn't have the promotional issues certainly. If Bellew really generates that much hype in the UK than I guess it could be possible if the money is right, you would know more about that than myself. For fighters who don't have a ton of miles on them, take care of their bodies, and have the right style, I don't think aging is as much of a death sentence as it used to be. 34 is certainly older but it isn't a clear line of being done as a fighter.
Thu, 2018-05-10 10:58
I think if people are fooled, it is on them, nobody makes them pay anything, and selling isn't always the most honest part of business.
I thought you would say that, here are two other ways of looking at it, one, Haye and Rigondeaux, 37, fact, Rigondeaux at a weight disadvantage, fact, Haye injury susceptible and inactive from 2012-16, facts, based on that information, we should have known how the fight would turn out, roughly, but this isn't about being precise, we were both way off on Bellew vs Haye II, and neither of us thought Lomachenko would beat Rigondeaux like that. Also, maybe consider that Rigondeaux was no worse than we thought before, same for Haye, but Bellew and Lomachenko were better, remember, you can be very good, but made to look bad against your opponent. Bellew made it look that way, Haye is Haye, 37, been inconsistent, you knew that beforehand, and Bellew proved almost all of us wrong beating Haye like that, same over the Hill Haye as you and most predicted him to lose to! So you have to admit he was better than you thought. He doesn't want it because he has little him left, and what is to be gained from that fight? It is just random to him, doesn't make the top 2 of his most likely future fights, doesn't mean he doesn't think he wins, I think Bellew beats Whyte, 100%. I'm saying it is so unlikely that Bellew could beat the best Tyson Fury, or a Fury close to late 2015 Fury, that for him to win, there would have to be a factor (e.g, injury, illness, whatever), but coming off 30 months out, Fury is demoted big time, he will improve relative to now because he will get his activity back, but based on the timing, Bellew would have a good shot.
Being 34, always means you are on the decline, you have to take certain things into account to lessen or heighen the extent of the situation, like size, damage, etc, but Ward, inconsistent, coming off a break, in a year, he will be 35, he will be worse than he was, no doubt. It is a clear line of being on the slide, some fighters decline faster than others, the scenarios cab differ a lot, but in Ward's case, 34, he will never be as good as he was, and he would admit it I bet.
Kovalev vs Eleider Alvarez who you got?
Fri, 2018-05-11 06:31
Sure I agree, casuals bring in a lot of the money anyways. Doesn't mean the more hardcore fans are in the wrong to dislike when broadcasters become promoters.
Rigondeaux is almost certainly not 37 but that is beside the point. With something like an injury, it is not as black and white to know how the person will recover. George Groves could be as good as he was before after this shoulder injury layoff or he could look much worse, we don't really know until we see in the ring. Like you have said before, you can't really take anything off of sparring clips. I did consider that Rigodeaux is old and small which is why I predicted him to lose. Did I think he would lose as badly as he did? No. Did anyone? Probably not. Rigondeaux may not be worse than we thought before at Super Bantamweight, that is yet to be seen. Haye actually has injury issues which will affect him regardless of what he does. I think the point of being very good and looking bad goes more with Rigondeaux's case where he was out of his weight range versus Haye who would likely always look like that because of his injury issues. I predicted Haye to win because I thought he would be healthy enough to look at least a shade like the old Haye but he didn't as far as I know. I am not super high on Whyte myself given the Chisora fight was not that long ago, but I think he is a quality operator and weights matter. I don't think Bellew could hurt Whyte which would be a big problem for him.
Sure, I agree with that, it's just a question of how much worse he will be.
I'm happy Kovalev is fighting Alvarez, Alvarez is a top 5 guy in the division and represents Kovalev's first real test since losing to Ward. Hopefully after this Main Events will do Kovalev vs. Bivol. I think Kovalev has his limitations but is still an elite pound for pound fighter, he won a good amount of rounds versus Ward even in defeat. He is not ever going to be the best technician but he has great power and does the things he does do well which will be enough to stop Alvarez. I think it is kind of hard to judge the true level of Alvarez though, so he could do better than he is expected to.
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