Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz II

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Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz II
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Date: 
Saturday, November 23, 2019
Location: 
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
Unlimited
Titles at Stake: 
WBC Heavyweight World Title (Wilder's 10th defence)
Referee: 
Kenny Bayless

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WBC heavyweight world champion, Deontay Wilder, makes the 10th defence of his title, in a rematch against Luis Ortiz, who he beat by late stoppage in a great first fight.

Wilder knocks Ortiz out in 7 rounds, 3 rounds earlier than in the first fight. Wilder landed a great right hand, knocked Ortiz down heavily, and although Ortiz tried to get up, he didn't beat the count.

Wilder was behind on all the cards at the time of the knock out, 55-59 on 2 cards, 56-58 on the other.




Fan Cards: Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz II


scorecard by ABURIUS
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by RUSSYJOE
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by PREMIER BOXING CHAMPIONS
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by DIEGOYEYE
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DEONTAY WILDER
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
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58


scorecard by AJPENA
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by RAPID
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DEONTAY WILDER
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LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by PHILLYPHAN69
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DEONTAY WILDER
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
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58


scorecard by GUY INCOGNITO
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by MBUCK
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by BLOODMONEY80
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DEONTAY WILDER
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
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58


scorecard by ONLY1
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by MINIMAXBOXING
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by HART
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by NF82
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by KACPERPONITER
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DEONTAY WILDER
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
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58


scorecard by STATICERUPTION
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DEONTAY WILDER
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
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58


scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
Round
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by MUSHAVR96
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by FLOYD TOUGH COMPETITOR MAYWEATHER
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by GOLD
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by OTURN10
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DEONTAY WILDER
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57
LUIS ORTIZ
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57


scorecard by JAROD KILLIAN
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by CHRIS M95
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DEONTAY WILDER
10
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
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58


scorecard by ANDRE_B99
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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60


scorecard by LGWISEMAN
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by CHAMPION97
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
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59


scorecard by WILLIAMBOXING
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DEONTAY WILDER
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
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60


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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59


scorecard by MAGIC MAN
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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59


scorecard by BROOKLYNGUY6
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DEONTAY WILDER
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55
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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59


scorecard by STINGEV98
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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60


scorecard by GOOSU
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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60


scorecard by TYLERRCURTIS
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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58


scorecard by TJK146114
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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58


scorecard by ALBERTOCASTANY
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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54
LUIS ORTIZ
10
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60


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
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DEONTAY WILDER
9
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56
LUIS ORTIZ
10
10
9
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58


Comments

Pointless rematch that once again proves that Wilder wants nothing to do with fighting Joshua. He is robbing the fans of an undisputed matchup holding his little WBC belt hostage that he should've lost to Fury!

Champion97's picture

Enough of that nonsense pal, come on, you're not an idiot so don't act like one.

Everything he said is true. Wilder continues to shamelessly duck AJ, here he is taking a pointless rematch which isn’t it needed for far less money than he could’ve made with DAZN. If Wilder and his team were confident in themselves they would take on AJ unify and become a star but no instead they make ridiculous demands, turn down career high pay days and hold up the division. After this Wilder will probably fight Kownacki and he’ll keep getting away with ducking AJ whilst people are somehow still defending him

Champion97's picture

What he said is mostly an opinion, but some of what he said was in all liklihood wrong. I've had enough of hearing all this ridiculous talk about ducking, Wilder is not ducking AJ. It isn't a pointless rematch, did you see the first fight? Come on pal, like Floyd, you know boxing better than this. That's the thing, 'ridiculous demands', there is no answer as to which demands are ridiculous, can't blame Wilder for wanting 50 or maybe 40 if he's brought his price down to that, can't blame Hearn for not giving him it, it is disagreements, Wilder also does what his team tells him, he doesn't know how much he's worth, his team should do more in my opinion, but both sides can be accused of ridiculous demands. Like I told Floyd, you don't know why fighters turn down offers, there are terms besides money, location and time for example, you can't make your mind up when you are fan, don't know what is going on, not saying I know, I'm not in the boxing industry, but Wilder has every reason to think he can beat Joshua, is makes no logical sense for Wilder to think he can't beat Joshua.

Hopefully, that won't be the case, I said Joshua vs Wilder would happen this year and I was wrong, but I think it will happen next year, and Adam Smith made Shelly Finkel promise the fight would happen in 2020.

People are defending him because they are not being stupid, understand that these big fights struggle to get made and it doesn't mean there is a ducker on either side.

You're calling me an idiot for what?

Did Wilder not turn down a 100 million+ deal to fight Joshua? Everything I said can be backed up by facts. Almost all media members had Wilder losing to Fury. Wilder KOd Ortiz before and Ortiz has beaten no one significant to warrant the rematch. In fact he has looked even worse since. Christian Hammer was hitting him alot and he just looked completely washed up in that fight. It's a pointless rematch. When has Wilder ever made a fight announcement following so quickly after one of his fights? It's so that Joshua can't really call him out Saturday. The fans need to put some pressure on this guy or we will never get to see the fight we all want!

Champion97's picture

For a start, I repeat, you are not an idiot, do don't act like one.

When you acuse a fighter of ducking, whether it's Joshua or Wilder, just because they have turned down offers that you don't know all the details of, that is misinformed. Yes he did, but listen, this is boxing, it is business, it is more complicated, you have idea why he turned down the money, if it was simply about one deal and one amount of money, boxing would be a lot more simple, there were probably a lot of things in the contract that Wilder's team didn't want him to agree to. Do you not understand that it is about Wilder and Joshua not agreeing how much he is worth, Wilder won't accept the fight unless he gets 50 which is what he believes he is worth, Hearn won't give him that much because in his mind Joshua is the A-side and Wilder is another B-side opponent, belt or not, and that is why the fight hasn't happened yet. Wilder is also loyall to all the people around him, his team, his network, not saying he was right to turn down the DAZN offer, but him turning down the offer doesn't mean he's ducking.

What you say is not backed up by facts, Fury was not robbed because you can give Wilder 3 rounds outside rounds outside of 9 and 12, says who?, Hopkins, Derrick James, George Foreman, Errol Spence Jr, Mayweather Sr, Nazim Richardson. That is one way of looking at it, here's another way of looking at it, Ortiz can come close to doing what he did the first time, in a great fight, he still won one sided against Hammer who is underrated. Never, because rarely in boxing do you get two fighters who can come to agreement so quickly, but if that theory is true, 'Joshua can't really call him out', why wouldn't he have done that in the past? A ducker has no more reason now not to be called out than in the past.

Bottom line, when it comes to Joshua vs Wilder, there are roadblocks, issues, but ducking is not one of them, and eventually, when the fight happens, all this nonsense will be forgotten, just like with Mayeather vs Pacquiao.

That's exactly the thing tho. We shouldn't want this to turn out like Mayweather vs Pacquiao! That was horrible. Waiting so many years and the guys end up fighting each other when they were both out of their prime and after one of them suffered a KO loss. That was very disappointing. I don't want Wilder vs AJ to turn out like that. Another thing is Wilders team not wanting to discuss anything or even negotiate with team Joshua. They haven't even responded to the offers or to talks to sit down and talk about negotiations. Wilder and his team have said that the Joshua fight is not in their plans. It's blatantly ducking. How do you expect a fight to be made without negotiating. And you are blasting me for pointing this out? Everyone can see this stuff with their own eyes? What happened to the one face, one name, one champion? I'll tell you right now that Wilder fights someone like Kownacki next. Another in-house fight...

And btw didn't you just say Yesterday that Fury ducked the Wilder rematch? I sense some personal bias of you in this situation.

Champion97's picture

I agree with that, I didn't say I'm enjoying the wait, I want to see the fight as well!, but accusing fighters of ducking won't get us the fight. We saw the fight eventually. That's not true, where did you get that information?, there have been negotiations, at one point, the fight was close. Like I said, Wilder's team could do more, they could give him a better idea of what he's worth so he doesn't keep over pricing himself.

I can't speak for Wilder's team, they should do more, but I think there is an explanation, and that not that Wilder is ducking, people accuse Joshua of ducking, you realise this ducking nonsense goes both ways, Joshua said he wouldn't mind fighting Wilder in 2 years, doesn't mean he is ducking. Wilder's team might simply be trying to build the fight up more, there is at least one interview with Shelly Finkel about this, he didn't asnwer every question, but he said the fight would happen in 2020.

They have said the Joshua fight is not in their immediate plans, to say they don't ever want the fight, based on that, boxing is too unpredictable. Some would say they say that because they know Hearn will make ridiculous demands, so again, two sides to this, nobody is ducking, the teams just haven't reached a deal.

Again, it's not ducking, if you think he's ducking, that's your opinion, but there is nothing blatant about the business of boxing, we don't really 100% know, but I'm 95% sure Wilder isn't ducking.

I'm not blasting anyone for pointing out the facts, but you can't just jump to conclusions without inside knowledge, you do NOT know Wilder is ducking. That's the ideal scenario, one champion becomes undisputed, but the business of boxing is often not good for the sport of boxing.

Let's make a deal, if the fight ever happens, you accept you are wrong, if Wilder retires without fighting Joshua, tell you what, I'll agree that you're right, that sound fair to you pal?

I'm sensing bias from you to be honest, not saying you are biased but it is easy to think that when we defending 2 different fighters.

I did not say Fury ducked the Wilder rematch, don't put words in my mouth, I specifically told you that I wasn't calling Fury a ducker. I told you the fact, Fury turned down the rematch, you give him a pass and an explanation, but not Wilder, maybe that's because Fury is smart enough to cover his tracks, but more likely, Fury turning down the rematch, because he did, and Wilder turning down the DAZN offer, no ducking from either, they both had reasons.

"Let's make a deal, if the fight ever happens, you accept you are wrong, if Wilder retires without fighting Joshua, tell you what, I'll agree that you're right, that sound fair to you pal?"

Sounds like a fair deal but I'm not agreeing with it. It needs to be adjusted slightly. I think Wilder might look to cash out vs AJ in the future if he slows down or if his hype is declining and he can't make that much money anymore or if he loses...

I'll admit that I'm wrong if Wilder and Joshua fight before the end of 2020 with both of them still having an undefeated record and them fighting for the undisputed heavyweight crown. Does that sound like a fair deal to you? I included the undefeated record so that the fight doesn't lose its worth and it's still the same risk for both fighters as well as the Undisputed crown.
You see if one of them loses the other one might jump on the opportunity and vice versa. The fight would lose its value and it proves the marinating was for the worse. Just like with Mayweather/Pacquiao.

I don't think that Wilder is afraid to fight Joshua. But I think Wilder and especially his team don't really like the risk/reward situation they have right now. That's ducking to me. Avoiding a risk, keeping the undisputed fight from happening because you don't like the risk of losing or getting KOd which could destroy Wilders aura. But that's just my opinion.

Champion97's picture

So you're saying you don't accept he isn't ducking even if the fight happens, if you think he's desperate for a payday? I don't know, I think you could play that card if it happens now. Do you think the fight will ever happen?, answer me that.

I respect that, and if Wilder retires in 2021 or 2022, if we are still here, I will accept I'm wrong and Wilder ducked Joshua, I think that is fair. I don't know if the fight is being marinated, I think there issues which are getting in the way, but I see what you are saying, I think Mayweather vs Pacquiao was still a very big fight and Joshua vs Wilder would be as well of one of them lost, but not as big a fight as if the fight happens next year.

I disagree, but at least that's plausible, it's 'Beyonce Wilder is a pussy too scared to fight AJ, beaten nobody, hype job", which is find annoying, that's why I said, you are not an idiot, because I know you are not one of those, but those are the same clowns who think GGG is a pussy who ducked everyone, never fought anybody, got exposed by Canelo.

Let's just agree to disagree pal.

Looks like our deal can't come into fruition bro...I always felt like one of these dudes would lose before the fight gets made. Sadly Wilder wanted to marinate it and we don't have an undisputed champ now.
Told you man. Too much marinating. Congrats to Andy Ruiz! What a fighter!

Champion97's picture

I always agreed we should see the fight this year, I said no duckers, but if I wasn't clear, the marinating was unnecessary, we should have seen the fight this year.

Always a risk in boxing, and now the landscape of the heavyweight division has changed, I think will be a rematch.

SalTnutZ1's picture

Honestly, the Joshua camp plays the business side more than any. Fury-Wilder, quick deal. Both Wilder-Ortiz fights, quick deals. Wilder agreeing to fight Ortiz first time and Povetkin(in his backyard mind you), pre them failing for drugs, quick deals. Joshua vs Wilder and Whyte, all about the splits, TV rights, etc. None are ducking. But, Fury signed with ESPN, who has little to no viable HWs. Joshua is fairly locked in with DAZN. Wilder is the one who’s said he can fight anywhere. He just wants what he thinks he deserves. Even if you think AJ is A side(which I do as welL), you have to recognize the one factor that Wilder has that is outside he abilities and belts, and that is the US TV market backing. That money alone should even the playing field closer to a percentage split, rather than a flat fee, or a contingent “100 million dollar deal”.

petieroach's picture

It really is choosing the lesser of 3 evils. However I think the way that Haymon has lined up Ortiz and Kownacki for Wilder is some of the most blatant 'marinating' yet.

Jim gray was absolutely right in saying nobody really wants to see any of these type of fights and it's shameful letting months and even years pass building things up. I think AJ is starting to feel the pressure the most in needing to fight someone credible. He's far and away THE champ and #1 ranked HW in my eyes. AJ and Hearn want fair splits and negotiate each fight individually cut and dry while Wilder is only looking at PBC guys.

I think AJ fights Usyk or Parker II this fall if Whyte, Fury and Wilder don't want any smoke.

If these guys like Wilder and Ortiz actually walked the walk theyd have fought Joshua by now. He's the world heavyweight champ - if you have the opportunity and think you can actually win: take that fight.

waiting multiple years for a couple more million dollars that may or may not exist is silly

You're spot on but AJ also has some options beside Fury and Wilder. He still has a mandatory in Pulev and ofc the Usyk fight like you said. Whyte/Rivas winner is a possibility. Maybe even some up and comers like Hrgovic and Joyce.

Champion97's picture

Good point Floyd, and people forget because he recently got injured, but Usyk is a phenomenal boxer and can fight as well, he is a great addition to the heavyweight division, he is small, but not smaller than Holyfield or Frazier. I personally think Usyk is better than Joshua, Wilder and maybe even Fury, do you agree?, if so, his size disadvantage makes those potential fights very interesting. Also, I hope there are no hard feelings about yesterday, I can't blame anyone for wanting to see the fight for all the marbles at heavyweight, we all want to see it!

Nah man ofc there are no hard feelings. I'm not the type of person to hold grudges. I respect most people's opinions as long as they have no agenda or something.

And yes I agree with you. I think Usyk is one of the best fighters in the world right now and I hope he can prove it at Heavyweight. If he can adapt to fighting at Heavyweight and be as good as he was at cruiser i would give him a very good shot to upset one of the champions. I think Usyks best shot is against Joshua. Parker gave Joshua some trouble with mobility and footwork, that is Usyks bread and butter. Plus Usyk is a southpaw so that would make it even more complicated for AJ. I think Usyk has a higher ring iq, better footwork, stamina and he sets ups his shots better than AJ. And in order to beat Joshua he would have to win decisively because I imagine a close fight would go Joshua's way. It's sad but probably the truth. He needs to avoid getting hit tho and that could be a big problem. If AJ or Wilder land on him idk how that would go tbh.
Fury might be the trickiest for Usyk from a technical standpoint because Fury really knows how to use his size and keep a cruiserweight at bay with spoiling tactics. Would all be exciting fights but let's see what Usyk does against Takam first.

Champion97's picture

Usyk and Fury aren't all that different, but Usyk is the much more diciplined athlete, and Fury is a lot bigger, would be a very interesting fight that. I think Fury is better than Usyk defensively, but Usyk is better offensively, better at breaking his opponent down, Fury has great variety, but I think Usyk's variety might be slightly better.

Joshua would struggle with Usyk technically, but less so than Wilder, and Joshua's jab would be important, Usyk could slip under it well, but even if the jab doesn't land, it can still set up the right hand, definitely the uppercut if Joshua uses a throw away jab as bait, makes Usyk fall onto a right uppercut. Usyk is obviously a lot better technically than Wilder, wouldn't struggle that much with the sheer size, strength, because Wilder is so light and a small heavyweight despite being tall, but Wilder's power is just something else, ahy cruiserweight will struggle to absorb that.

That's hard to predict, a fighter's chin just is what it is, he hasn't been down, Usyk, but he hasn't had a long career which makes him not getting dropped less important, he was very briefly hurt against Gassiev I thought, but because he got hit on the bell, we couldn't see how can recover or even if he was really hurt.

Well I don't know if that will be rescheduled, not worth rescheduling if you ask me, Takam might be shot, I think he is, and there is no reason for Usyk not to face more of a challenge, obviously don't jump straight into a fight against one of the 3 giants, but he could fight a 5-10 heavyweight. I don't know why it isn't Povetkin vs Usyk.

"I don't know why it isn't Povetkin vs Usyk."

Povetkins team wanted a comeback fight after the AJ loss and they didn't want to throw Povetkin in there with Usyk after getting KOd which is understandable. They declined the fight. I don't think Takam is shot btw, he took good care of Gashi. But he would absorb alot of shots from Usyk. Idk who else Usyk can fight tbh. Joseph Parker?

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Well, yes and no, maybe just for the confidence boost, but 8 months on from that loss, he's rested and recovered, had enough time to prepare for another fight.

You may be right, but his resistance seemed much weaker against Chisora, who is not a devastating puncher.

Possible, or Kabayel, Miller, there are a few options.

I don't think Miller should ever get the opportunity to fight Usyk. He is a 300lbs+ pharmacy, a disgrace to the sport. Wouldn't mind Kabayel but he doesn't really have name value. I think Takam is about as good as it gets aside from Parker for name exposure and for Usyk testing the waters at Heavyweight. Chisora is aslo a possibility but his last performance didn't really deliver and in the one before that he got brutally KO'd. I would like to see Whyte Vs Usyk but Whyte has talked like he isn't interested in that fight. He said Usyk brings nothing to the table and that nobody knows him when Usyk is a recognised p4p talent that just KO'd a big name in the UK in Bellew on a ppv. That was a bit silly imo.

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No I agree, but saying a dirty drug cheat like Miller should be banned for life is like saying smoking should be out lawed, realistically, he will get opportunities, but it is harder to get away with cheating when you have been caught with 3 substances in your system, not saying he will be clean when he fights again, but he probably won't take as much. True, Kabayel needs to build his name himself before getting a fight of that magnitude, but I think Kabayel is underrated, I thought the cards in the Chisora fight were way off, and he beat Chisora as wide as Pulev, Vitali, Fury.

Chisora has been done enough and been in classic fights against Whyte and Takam, so he can afford to be in one bad fight and still sell tickets, get opportunities. I think it is more that he doesn't need a fight like that at this stage of his career, then again, he doesn't need to fight an unbeaten, possibly high risk opponent like Rivas either, he has done more than enough to earn a title shot, and it is a disgrace that Wilder wasn't ordered to fight him, the Breazeale fight was a bad match up. I agree, Usyk is certainly better known than Rivas.

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Prediction,

The first fight was great. Ortiz seemed to be out boxing Wilder, Wilder used his jab, but the more overall skill was with Ortiz. Wilder put Ortiz down midway through the fight, Ortiz came back to give Wilder a beating, seemed to almost stop him, but he couldn't put him down, and after Ortiz emptied his tank, Wilder came back to stop him.

18 months - 2 years after the first fight, and there are 2 ways of looking at who benefits from the rematch.

There might be an element of boxer vs puncher, and if there is, Ortiz is the boxer, Wilder is the puncher. A boxer is usually more likely than a puncher, to make the necessary adjustments for a rematch, so a boxer, more often than not, wins the rematch. Based on a rematch being better for a boxer, you could argue Ortiz should be less of an underdog this time than last time.

Wilder won the first fight, you could argue he has to be a heavier favourite than last time, based on that alone, especially seeing as it was a stoppage win, and not a controversial stoppage.

Wilder is young for a heavyweight, he has fought 2 opponents in the last 2 years who are technically great, probably much better than any of his previous opponents. Ortiz and Fury were great learning fights, Wilder might be improving, it depends on how much technical work he is doing in the gym, if he's working on his weaknesses, but although he's had over 40 fights, he doesn't have too many miles, and heavyweights often don't decline until their late thirties. Ortiz is in his fourties, he is at an age where he is physically declining, so no matter what adjustments he makes, whether he is technically better or not, he is aging, slowing down slightly with each fight.

I think Wilder might be able to improve on the last fight, and if he has improved, that makes this an even bigger ask for Ortiz, given the inevitable physical decline, he is active, he'll be the best he can be, and I don't think he'll have got old overnight, he will still be skilful and dangerous, but his recovery will be even slower, he will have to be even more conservative with what he has in the tank, will be less resilient, he will be slower, reflexes won't be as good as last time, all these things, just slightly worse than in the first fight, and I think Wilder stops Ortiz earlier than last time, won't take a beating this time.

Ortiz is a challenge for any heavyweight until he is not only past it but shot, and unless he is shot which he probably isn't, he is still a threat, and Wilder cannot afford not to be at his best in this fight, has to fight Ortiz with the same focus, awareness as last time.

I think Wilder will use his jab more in this fight than last time, just to keep Ortiz off him, make him have to reset, but I think he will be cautious, like last time, and Ortiz will pressure Wilder, be patient, but counter if he can corner Wilder. I think Ortiz will go to the body more in this fight than he did last time, he might hurt Wilder to the body, but body work takes commitment, can keep you stationary, and he could give Wilder a counter opportunity, so he will be cautious himself.

I think the differences will be that this time, Wilder won't start as slowly as last time, Ortiz will target the body more and have more success attacking the body, but Wilder will land the right hand and hurt Ortiz earlier than last time, he might not be able to finish Ortiz the first time he hurts him, especially if it's late in the round, and he might have to go back to his boxing, like last time, but I don't think he'll have to take a brutal beating on his way to victory this time, Ortiz will blow a gasket like last time, but maybe after 6 rounds if it is at a higher tempo, and this will not go to the late rounds.

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Reckon this wilder be a mid round ko by wilder. Possibly round 5-7

Maybe it is irrational, but I'm starting to get excited for this. Ortiz looks to be in very good shape. I don't think this is totally cut and dry like some people do. He is still a threat.

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Not irrational. I agree, this is a good fight. I expect Ortiz to have made some adjustments, and I think he'll go to the body more in this fight.

MattDixon's picture

Personally I think ortiz is on the roids, but that's just me I'm probably wrong. I think ortiz has lost his confidence after his performance against Christian hammer

Champion97's picture

What makes you think he's lost his confidence?, we haven't seen him fight since then and he's talking like a confident man. Ortiz probably is on roids, but he certainly isn't the only one, and he was probably on roids the first time as well.

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I just think because he didnt have a good performance against hammer and was vaguely hurt in the beginning of round 2

Champion97's picture

We'll see, but I think Hammer is underrated, Ortiz has skills, he knows he can out box and hurt Wilder, but I think he will get stopped earlier because I think he is declining, is aging, and Wilder can at least repeat, maybe even build on his performance from the first fight

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Agreed, wilder took a few rounds to find openings in the first fight but due to ortizs old age he wont he able to make so many adjustments to the point where the same openings will no longer be there. Ortiz will have some success in round 1 and 3 I reckon though

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Stance might have been a factor as well, but that wasn't just a slow start, Ortiz gave him a lot of problems for 4 rounds. I agree he'll have success, I think the cards will be close after 6 rounds.

MattDixon's picture

Agreed. If it goes to 6 as I think itll be over between 5-7

Gold's picture

It should be a fun fight to watch, I don't know why anyone would plan on skipping it given they have access to it.

MattDixon's picture

Wouldn't exactly say its ppv quality though

Gold's picture

I don't pay PPV

Champion97's picture

It's not PPv over here either is it? It's landed on Sky for free unless I'm mistaken, highly unlikely it will be PPV if it's free in the US and the first fight wasn't PPV.

MattDixon's picture

Ah well I heard it was

Champion97's picture

I just checked mate, and we're lucky in the UK, it's on Sky for free.

MattDixon's picture

Get in there mate

Gold's picture

It is FOX PPV in the US, I would assume it is free Sky in the UK

Champion97's picture

I didn't know that, I assumed because you said you don't pay PPV.

SalTnutZ1's picture

I stream unless I have enough people coming over to chip in as well. $90US is a lot for these PPVs.

Gold's picture

Exactly, while I want to support the boxers (I have ESPN+/DAZN) there's no way I could rationalize paying for all of these PPVs at this point

MattDixon's picture

Exactly. I'm 16 so I cant afford these ppvs

Champion97's picture

What is it you can't afford? Because Sky is very reasonable in my opinion, it's BT that tries to rip you off.

MattDixon's picture

Aye bt with there terrible cards headlined by sunny Edward's and DDD

albertocastany's picture

ok that was weird. Home Run.

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That was poor from Wilder for 6 rounds, I thought he was well behind, was always in the firing line for the left hand, Ortiz blocked very well, Wilder was looking for the right hand, wasn't thinking enough, but it takes one punch with Wilder, and Ortiz, although he was great for 6 rounds, might have been slightly less resilient than last time, but it was a well timed, accurate shot from Wilder. Ortiz almost beat the count, but he didn't know where he was, his legs were gone, and even if he'd beat the count, the fight was almost certainly over, even with the minute to recover. It was a great finish from Wilder, similar to his KO over Szpilka, but I don't think he's improved much in the last few years, still has the same flaws and makes the same mistakes as before. I definitely think Ortiz should retire now.

So um yeah, Wilder is beating Tyson Fury in the rematch. I've seen enough to say that Wilder does considerably better in rematches. I'm already making my pick this early on. Wilder will KO Fury in 8!