Sergey Kovalev vs Saul Alvarez

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Sergey Kovalev vs Saul Alvarez
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Date: 
Saturday, November 2, 2019
Location: 
MGM Grand, Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
Rounds Scheduled: 
12
Contracted Weight: 
175
Titles at Stake: 
WBO Light Heavyweight World Title (Kovalev's 2nd defence)
Referee: 
Russell Mora

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Saul Alvarez moves up two weight divisions to take on 2 time light heavyweight champion, former unified champion, Sergey Kovalev, for Kovalev's WBO belt.

Alavrez knocks Kovalev out in 11 rounds, wins the WBO belt whilst also holding the WBA title at 160.

After 10 rounds, Alvarez was ahead on 2 cards, 96-94, the other scorecard was even.




Fan Cards: Sergey Kovalev vs Saul Alvarez


scorecard by JONTAM23
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
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94


scorecard by OTURN10
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
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98
SAUL ALVAREZ
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92


scorecard by POWERPUNCHER999
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
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95
SAUL ALVAREZ
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95


scorecard by DIEGOYEYE
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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97
SAUL ALVAREZ
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93


scorecard by PHILLYPHAN69
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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95
SAUL ALVAREZ
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95


scorecard by HAIRYWELSHMAN78
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
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28
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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10
29


scorecard by NF82
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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95


scorecard by STATICERUPTION
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
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94
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
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96


scorecard by ONLY1
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
10
9
9
10
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10
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
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10
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10
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95


scorecard by GUY INCOGNITO
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
98
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
9
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10
10
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9
92


scorecard by HART
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
98
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
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10
93


scorecard by JOSELANSINI
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
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10
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95


scorecard by ABURIUS
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
10
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9
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97
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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10
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94


scorecard by HAGLERGOAT
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
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94


scorecard by PETIEROACH
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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95


scorecard by NOCTISSOLID
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
9
9
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97
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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93


scorecard by GOLD
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
9
10
9
9
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95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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10
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10
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95


scorecard by MUSHAVR96
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
9
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9
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
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10
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94


scorecard by OLAAIN1994
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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98
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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10
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92


scorecard by LGWISEMAN
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
10
9
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9
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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10
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94


scorecard by CHAMPION97
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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94


scorecard by MARTIN EDEN
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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10
10
10
9
9
10
10
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98
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
9
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92


scorecard by CHRIS M95
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
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9
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
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10
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94


scorecard by STINGEV98
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
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96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
9
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10
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94


scorecard by JIMITHY23
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
9
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9
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10
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
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95


scorecard by PRZEMO663
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
10
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
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95


scorecard by MCPHILLY84
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
9
9
10
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10
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10
97
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
10
10
9
10
9
9
9
10
94


scorecard by FLOYD TOUGH COMPETITOR MAYWEATHER
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
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10
9
96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
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10
94


scorecard by MINIMAXBOXING
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
9
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
10
10
9
10
10
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10
95


scorecard by VC1088
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
94
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
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10
96


scorecard by ADAMJO260
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
10
9
9
9
10
10
10
97
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
9
10
10
10
9
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9
93


scorecard by WILLIAMBOXING
Round
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12
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
95


scorecard by MATTDIXON
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
10
10
98
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
9
9
92


scorecard by BROOKLYNGUY6
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
95


scorecard by PABLOESCOBAR57
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
9
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
94
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
96


scorecard by ZAC.RJ
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
9
10
96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
10
9
94


scorecard by BLOODMONEY80
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
9
10
96
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
10
9
94


scorecard by HTTP
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
94
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
96


scorecard by AJ KNIGHT
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
9
10
9
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
10
9
10
10
10
9
9
10
95


scorecard by LUKASZRPB
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
9
10
10
9
10
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
10
9
9
10
9
10
10
9
9
10
95


scorecard by JAROD KILLIAN
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
9
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
94
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
10
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
96


scorecard by SALTNUTZ1
Round
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SERGEY KOVALEV
10
10
10
9
9
9
9
10
10
9
95
SAUL ALVAREZ
9
9
9
10
10
10
10
9
9
10
95


Comments

Champion97's picture

Prediction,

Canelo has more skills than Kovalev, he can fight on the inside, Kovalev can't, he has much more variety, is offensively better overall, and defensively better, has phenomenal head movement, but Kovalev certainly has the better jab, and he hits harder at 175 than Canelo does at 160, so to say he is the puncher in this fight, is an understatement.

Canelo is younger, fresher, and his pound for pound ranking is much higher than Kovalev's. I think Canelo's style is terrible for Kovalev, because Canelo is an exceptional body puncher, and Kovalev is known specifically for being weak to the body.

Canelo's natural weight is 154-160, he's small at 168, so he's very small at 175. Canelo took time to adapt to 160, he'd need time to adapt to 168, I think he could, but I think he's too small for 175. 175 is Kovalev's career weight, all his title fights have been at 175. Canelo is at a big size disadvantage.

There is a 10lb rehydration limit, Canelo is being accused of taking away Kovalev's size advantage, because this is 10lbs is not a lot of allowance for a light heavyweight, but based on Kovalev's past fights, he doesn't need more than 10lbs to be fully rehydrated, I don't think weight draining Kovalev is Canelo's intention, if he wanted to do that, this would be at a catchweight, but Kovalev can't build on his size advantage by making himself heavy carry extra weight to use against Canelo in the late rounds by leaning on him, which is an effective tactic for a tiring, bigger fighter.

Canelo will lessen the strength difference if he gains more muscle mass, but for stamina, that's very unwise, it will also rule out a return to 160 next year, and it won't give him power, Kovalev will tire after 8 rounds if not earlier, but Canelo will struggle to build on that, anywhere near as well as Ward did, if he is also gassed from carrying too much unnatural weight, I think he's better off being closer to his natural size, take the big size and strength difference for 6 rounds, but be more mobile, and prioritise taking full advantage of the late rounds, which are certainly not Kovalev's territory.

It's interesting to comapre this fight to Golovkin vs Canelo. Kovalev can hit Canelo a lot harder than Golovkin, is stronger, both have great jabs, but Kovalev has more reach, but Kovalev has a lot more vulnerabilities, and I think he is less versatile.

Kovalev fought and took damage recently, I think a 6 week camp isn't enough, he'll have started camp in good shape, so you could argue the short time between fights is good for him if anything, but I disagree.

Kovalev is a top level puncher, punchers have failed to hurt Canelo, but I think Kovalev hits harder in his own division than Canelo's previous opponents' in their divisions. The combination of Kovalev's power, and his size advantage, 99% proves he can hit Canelo harder than he has ever been hit. I think if Kovalev lands clean, Canelo goes down, I won't be surprised if he doesn't, but I'll be surprised if he's not hurt.

I don't think Canelo hits that hard, but he can set up and execute a great KO. Kovalev's chin isn't great, but not too weak, and body shots, stamina, lack of survival skills, are worse issues. I think Canelo can't use any amount of sheer power to discourage Kovalev with one headshot in the first 6 rounds. I think we will find out about Canelo's recovery, which has hardly been tested, because if he is hurt bad, it will be a big test of his recovery and survival skill.

Kovalev is likely to gas after 6-8 rounds, but it's whether Kovalev makes Canelo work harder than him, which would stop Canelo exploiting Kovalev's stamina issue. I think Kovalev will make Canelo work harder than he wants to, but Kovalev will tire first, Canelo will recover faster, and even when he's tired, he will be able to land perfectly timed, accurate body shots, I think that will be Kovalev's undoing.

I think early, Kovalev will land a lot more jabs, land more shots, Canelo will counter Kovalev, but will fail to hurt him at all, Canelo won't try to land body shots because he will be wary of Kovalev's power. Kovalev will patient, land the counter right hand, hurt Canelo in 1-2 of the early rounds, score a knockdown, will have all the momentum.

I think Canelo will do better in the mid rounds, Kovalev won't work 3 minutes, will be conservative, Canelo will start to land body shots, will still be defensively great, will land counter punches more often, and I think Kovalev will gas after 7 rounds.

I think in round 8, Kovalev will come apart, his tank will be empty, Canelo will hurt him bad to the body, will bring the attack to the head, will take Kovalev apart with accumulation, and stop him in 9 rounds.

Gold's picture

So you are aware, the last time Kovalev's fight night weight was recorded was his first fight versus Eleider Alvarez (ESPN doesn't do fight night weights), he rehydrated to 185 lbs, which he has rehydrated to or below multiple times in his career. He's not and has never been a big rehydrator, I don't think he has ever been over 190

Champion97's picture

I didn't know that, I assumed a 175lb fighter who struggles to make weight as much as I've heard he does, would need a good 10lbs, but based on that information, he only needs 7-8lbs to rehydrate. Do you think 180 is the unfair weight limit for Kovalev that I thought 185 was? And is the weight he needs to rehydrate more like 183? Because in that case, Canelo would need a very low limit to stop Kovalev's rehydration. Thanks for the information, I'll change those numbers in my prediction break down.

Kovalev was 189lbs in the ring vs Pascal and 188lbs Vs Hopkins. Might be interesting to know

Gold's picture

Which were in 2015 and 2014 respectively, I wouldn't use that to gauge what he does now as much as I wouldn't use him being 181 versus Sillah

Yeah he is older now so my guess is that he needs to rehydrate more. No information out there of his weight on fight night Vs Yarde?

Gold's picture

Except that's not true, because a little over a year ago versus Eleider Alvarez he weighed in at 185 lbs. Not to my knowledge, as I said I don't believe I have ever seen ESPN use fight night weights.

Champion97's picture

It depends on whether he tried to make himself harder to push back by being heavier, or if he needed the 13-14 lbs, apparently he was only 185 against Alvarez, but he did lose that fight, so it would be interesting to know what he rehydrated to in his last 2 fights, when he was better than the first Alvarez fight.

Gold's picture

He's just not disciplined which is why he has had issues with weight in the past. I think 185 is fair, but I don't think there is a rehydration clause in general. If it was really low it would obviously favor Canelo but probably not to the degree people may think, if I had to guess Canelo will also be over 175 lbs in the ring.

Yeah but Kov lost that first Eleider fight and looked like shit. Maybe he was draining himself idk. He was good Vs Pascal and Hopkins. Those were some of his biggest fights. He was 188 and 189lbs there.

Canelo has said that he is expected to be around 178-180lbs fight night

Gold's picture

He looked like he always did until he got too aggressive and got caught. He was good versus Hopkins and Pascal because he was in his prime, the weight is likely irrelevant.

Champion97's picture

Against Alvarez? Disagree on that, he lost the first 3 rounds on most cards, I think it was more that his team didn't know what they were doing and he was not physically right in that fight, but Buddy McGirt knew how prepare Kovalev physically as well as tactically for the rematch.

I disagree. I thought Kovalev looked awful. The jabs from Eleider were snapping his head back like crazy. He looked not like his usual self. Looked way better in the rematch. Most people thought he was done after that first fight.

Gold's picture

Most people had him up on points, he had stamina issues going past the midpoint of a fight.

Champion97's picture

The judges did, they are the ringside, it's their opinions that matter, but most cards had it even, I was surprised Kovalev was ahead. Kovalev has always been a 6 round fighter in my opinion, maybe more like an 8 round fighter now, but there is obviously an aspect of what the pace of the fight is. I don't think you can put Kovalev's loss to Alvarez just down to it being another day at the office and then he got reckless and got caught, he was not as good in the first 6 rounds of that fight as he was in the rematch, I thought he would get destoryed in 4 rounds in the rematch, but the win was a testament to McGirt as a trainer.

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Most cards here had him up, I had it even but it looked like Kovalev was actually picking up momentum. It wasn't just that, it was that his training and stylistic approach weren't as good as they should have been which McGirt improved. I also think Eleider Alvarez overperformed in the first fight and underperformed in the second fight, he's not been a notable puncher in the rest of his career.

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Kovalev fights at around 190. Canelo fights at around 175. by Fight night Kovalev will be too sluggish because he won't be able to recover. Everything poits out there is a rehydration clause. The promotional team hasn't denied there is a rehydration clause, they just push forward the "there's no catchweight" hook. The closest there has been a comment about is that Sergey said he wouldn't recover more than 2 kils (4.4 lbs) next morning, which goes along with the rumour before the Yarde fight that there would be a 180 second weigh in limit (there was rumour of a catchweight at 172 along with this, but that one is out)

Let's call things for what they are: This fight is just entertainment and it's not going to be real boxing. I'd bet my house on Canelo since there is no way he is going to lose this scripted fight. I will probably watch old fights that night, since this is one is not worth watching.

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If there isn't, then Canelo can't be accused of anything to make the fight unfair, and has to be given credit even from those who hate him, for fighting Kovalev. Well it would obviously favour him massively if it was 178 or less, but I've never heard of a rehydration clause so low. Canelo is an example of why I think ring weights, in general, are not a good metric for size and strength, and it's much more about what weight you are too big to make than how heavy you can be in the ring, because different fighters of the same size need different amoumts of weight to rehydrate to the same level. People say Canelo and Kovalev are the same size because they have weighed the same in the ring in the past, but that means little in my opinion, certainly compared to the fact that 168 would kill Kovalev and Canelo made 160 this year.

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People who already had their minds made up were never going to give Canelo credit for winning the fight despite it being unthinkable for another MW champion to fight Kovalev. I think we would have heard about the rehydration clause by now if it existed, but maybe we'll find out, who knows. Canelo is an exception, he is stocky at 160 let alone 168 or 175. Very few guys can make his build work because it is the near opposite of the conventional wisdom of what works in boxing.

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KOvalev by SD

Now let's talk about the officiating I'm this fight. They picked Russell Mora to ref this fight...are you fucking kidding me?! The ref who allowed Mares to lowblow Agbeko and cheat all night? Who warned Agbeko for Mares' fouls? He is paid off, sorry. One of the worst refs in the sport. Kovalev didn't want Tony Weeks to castrate him so they gave him this guy. A nice "fuck you" from the comission.

Some of Mora's finest work:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4mr4LIC6Bj4

He is getting screwed in this fight.

Also as a judge: Julie Lederman, who is a trash judge. Along with Don Trella who gave Canelo a draw vs Golovkin in the first fight and Dave Moretti who scored Canelo Vs Cotto 11-1 Canelo...good luck Krusher

Shades of DeLa Hoya vs Pacquiao

I don't know why everybody's dismissing Kovalev's chances. We still have yet to see how Canelo's going to handle an elite opponent who is much bigger than him. It will be interesting to see how he handles the power up at this weight.

Additionally he's always had a tough time dealing with a good jab.

That being said Canelo is much quicker, younger and has a far better chin.

Honestly I could see this going either way, neither outcome would shock me terribly.

Kov only has 6 weeks to prepare right now...that date is way too soon

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100% agree, but he isn't going down to a catchweight, let's see what the rehydration clause of there is one, if it's 185 or less, I'll agree with what you were saying at least to an extent, but if it's 190 or more, does Canelo get credit from you?

He'll get some credit from me of course, but I don't think I will pick Kov to win if he has such little time to prepare for Canelo. I will have to wait and see in what kind of spot Kovalev is mentally and physically before making a pick. He didn't really get to rest and recover from his last fight. He even said it himself that he wanted more time to rest and recover from the Yarde fight but that the money was too much to turn down. That sounds worrying. Sounds like a cash out mentality

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Boxers used to do this all the time, guys fighting 2-3 times a year is a modern invention of promoters

Sure but they didn't fight top comp after top comp...Canelo is arguably the #1 p4p fighter in the world. Only having 6 weeks to prepare for him and not really getting to rest and recover from your last fight, which was physically a hard one where he almost got KOd, can be very damaging for an old fighter like Kovalev.

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Not true, especially if you go back far enough. Saying Kovalev has six weeks isn't true either, it is a ten-week turn around between Yarde and Canelo. Kovalev knew there was a very good chance this fight would be next, he wasn't just sitting around and got the call. Pernell Whitaker had an eleven-week turn around from facing Hurtado to De La Hoya. In the fight versus Hurtado, Whitaker got put on the floor twice, was down on the cards, and had to knock Hurtado out to win, but he looked very good versus Oscar and many people thought he won that fight.

Kov hasn't been in the gym yet, so yes it is 6 weeks to prepare. By your logic Canelo has 6 months to prepare for the fight. So how is that fair?

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You know the details of Kovalev and Canelo's camps? Not at all what I am saying, they both have known the fight may be coming up for the same amount of time. A lot of guys do eight-week training camps, and some even do six-week camps. Kovalev just had a training camp and a fight so he won't need the extra time to get sharp as he would otherwise.

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This is not personal in the slightest and I agree with you on the weight topic in this fight, but I agree with Floyd on this. Do you not think Groves physically needed more than the 3-4 months he had to recover after the Froch KO?, why do you think he looked so drained against Rebrasse and Douglin? And why do you think fighters get suspended after tough fights? The reason is, because there are more safety regulations now than there used to be, and just because fighters did something in the old days, doesn't mean it wasn't much more dangerous than how the sport is now, doesn't mean it won't be a factor, and the although fighting so often didn't seem to be an issue for fighters in the old days, that is only because they were all doing it, you are only in against your opponent, if both fighters come back too soon, we don't see the evidence in the fight, same when both fighters are old, both being small and inexperienced at a weight.

In my opinion, at world level, fighters should fight twice a year, simple as that.

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What's the comparison between Groves and Kovalev? I already gave a near 1:1 comparison between Whitaker and Kovalev, and how Whitaker looked good on the short turn around. My point with saying that old fighters used to do it is that it is physically possible, now people act like boxers need 4-6 months between each fight. I've seen many trainers criticize the current structure of boxers fighting 2-3 times a year because they aren't as in shape and sharp as they would be if they were more active.

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The comparison is that both fight too soon after a damaging loss, having not had the time they need, to rest, in an era when fighters take the time they need, to recover from tough fights. Yes, but being weight drained and still fighting is physically possible, what I'm saying is, Kovalev needs more than 3 weeks to recover properly, and 6 weeks is a short camp, so for those reasons, 2-3 months is not enough, his resistance, ability to stay strong in the fight will be compromised, and if it was the old days, Alvarez might also be coming off a tough fight, with 2-3 months between fights, so it wouldn't matter in a competitive sense. They do need that amount of time in some scenarios, Joshua needs 6 months between the Ruiz fights, Thurman should not fight against at least until January, because think how long it takes to recover, and have a good camp, mentally prepare as well.

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Ok, well Kovalev took damage but he won, he didn't get sparked like Groves. Kovalev is not a big LHW, and despite having to make weight twice in a shorter period of time, he'll be in better condition for the Canelo fight because he's been so physically active. Joshua does not "need" six months between the Ruiz fights other than to lose muscle mass and improve his strategy. Sugar Ray Robinson got put through the ropes and was saved by the bell versus LaMotta in their second fight when he lost, rematched him three weeks later and won. Again, I've given a very close comparison between Whitaker and Kovalev but neither of you have answered to it.

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He took more damaging shots in the fight than Groves against Froch, we can make arguments for either, but the scenarios are similar, both damaging fights, and it goes back to the issue that fighters need time to recover before camp. I think that's like saying a weight drained fighter will be in better shape because they've worked hard, Kovalev would be in just as good shape if he'd fought, found a good balance for 3 months, started camp im decent shape, had a 12 week camp. Come on man, he was concussed, he needs a lot of time for the brain to heal. Yes, against a Lamotta who had also fought 3 weeks earlier, Robinson took more damage, but he wouldn't have won against a fully rested and trained Lamotta. What comparison?, I need to read your post again.

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We're just going to have to agree to disagree because we are too far apart on the subject, hopefully it will be a good fight despite what the naysayers think.

Yeah I do, a buddy of mine on the web interviewed Kov and he told me that. He said Kov has only been having time off since he fought Yarde and hasn't started training seriously

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Can you link me to the interview? As I said, not unheard of for guys to do six-week camps coming off a short layoff, but not ideal.

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That's a good point you make about Whitaker, he was behind in that fight, maybe he would have beaten De la Hoya clearly had he had more time, maybe it wasn't a factor in that case for whatever reason. It is possible that like just having a lot of miles and maybe or maybe not being shot, being drained because a fight is too after the last fight isn't an inevitable problem, but still a potential issue, because like I said before, Groves is an example, fighters get suspended after tough fights for a reason.

Kovalev is going to get destroyed by Canelo. I'm no Canelo fan (not a hater either) but there's no way in hell that Kovalev will be ready for him come Nov 2nd after the war he was in against Yarde less than a month ago. Now, if this fight were in like say May of next year then I'd give Kovalev a little bit of a chance or of at least hanging in there the full 12 with Canelo but with such short notice for a fight of this magnitude, no way. As of right now, I say Canelo stops Krusher inside of 9 rounds. Unless, that is that the extra 15 lbs will be too taxing for Canelo that they completely negate his punching power which COULD happen but I wouldn't bet on it.

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I like canelo but I would rather he fought smith at middleweight and this move up against Kovalev is some stupid ass shit.

I am mad the Smith fight isnt happening right now.

albertocastany's picture

This fight is totally worthless if there is a rehydration clause. The promotional team has been really quiet about this, and has made sure media don't ask that question during press conferences. They never give a direct answer.
With a rehydration clause, we might end up with a Kovalev performing like Chavez Jr when he faced Canelo. I really like Kovalev and I like watching him fight. If there wasn't a rehydration clause, the fight would be interesting.

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I really hope their isnt them clauses or same day weight stipulation for fight day or some shit, I would pick Kovalev by SD without them weight stipulations

Can't see Canelo visiting the canvas champ. He must have one of the best chins in boxing. I've always thought Kovalev's 'power' is more down to timing than sheer weight of the shots, if that makes sense. I think Kovalev will just be trying to keep Canelo at the end of his jab, touching him and keeping the distance rather than the usual ramrod jab all the time. The moment Canelo gets inside to land those sickening body shots it's over for Kovalev. That could take a while as Kovalev may need to tire for Canelo to take those risks.

I can see this ending between 6-8. When Kovalev hits canelo and it doesn't shift him, I see Kovalev losing heart and Canelo starting to close the distance round by round. Kovalev won't be able to take the body shots. Eventually Canelo will put the combinations together to stop the fight by TKO.

All that said, I am surprised to see Kovalev as such a big outsider for this fight with it being at light heavy.

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I don't disagree he will stop Kovalev, I agree the body shots will destroy him, and I agree, Canelo has a granite chin, Golovkin couldn't hurt him, but, look at Kovalev's career and the power he has proven to have against Pascal and Cleverly, those in particular because a cruiserweight Bellew couldn't drop Cleverly, and Bivol, Browne, Eleider Alvarez couldn't drop Pascal, Cleverly and Pascal's chins are underrated because of Kovalev's power, do you disagree Kovalev has top level power and is a devastating puncher even considering that?

Yes that makes sense, but I strongly disagree on that, because doing damage with timing more than power isn't something you see as early in the fight as early as we've seen Kovalev do damage, yes he has great timing, otherwise the right hand would never have got near Ward, but no, look at the weight behind Kovalev's punches when he fights, there is always a reaction from his opponent, he has made opponents feel the power early, he doesn't do damage with one isolated shot, like Lomachenko against Crolla and Martinez, which was more about timing than power, he gets his opponents respect very early, every power shot he lands is heavy.

Fair play if you are proven right, I agree about the outcome, but I think Canelo is going to have to walk through hell to get there, not saying he isn't prepared to do that, but he proved against Golovkin that he could do that. Do you believe Golovkin hits harder at 160 than Kovalev does at 175?, and I'm talking about sheer power, because I don't, there isn't a lot in it, but either way, it is much harder to take Kovalev's power than Golovkin's because he is a good 2 weights bigger than him, he isn't big for 175, Kovalev, but Golovkin is not big for 160.

To be fair I don't think any of those light heavy's you mentioned are big punchers but is Kovalev a devastating puncher that that possesses top level power? Yes. What I mean is, he may keep on the jab more and keep the power shots in his locker initially, trying to pace himself better. Obviously, Kovalev will always carry power but as he's got older, I wonder if he still has the confidence to go for the really big shots. Take Eleider and Yarde for example, the only time he had Eleider in trouble was in the 12th of the second fight due to an accumulation of shots. Same with Yarde, no 1 shot bothered him but he was out on his feet due to the same accumulation.

I think the first fight vs Eleider changed Kovalev, for the better in terms of his longevity. It taught him that he can't just go for knock outs early like he used to. He hasn't got the stamina when they don't just bowl over. And we know Canelo can take heavy shots for 12 rounds. For canelo it's just a case of choosing the right time I think. He will have to walk through some shots but if he times it right they probably won't have the same spite in them as the 1st round.

Regarding GGG/Kovalev, hard to say. I think GGG has more 1 punch KO power but I don't want to do Kovalev a disservice. Clearly both throw heavy shots. I don't think Kovalev will have Canelo in serious trouble at any point in the fight but the only way he does is through accumulation, rather than 1 punch.

Mayweather is always the example I go to with Canelo. For all Mayweathers brilliance, it was his power that was most underrated. He broke Canelo's heart because he wasn't prepared to walk through those spiteful shots that he couldn't see coming. The difference is that Kovalev won't be able to do that for 12 rounds.

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Which light heavies?, Alvarez and Bivol or Pascal and Cleverly? Because Alvarez and Bivol are decent punchers, especially Alvarez, and Bivol has the output, Pascal and Cleverly's power is irrelevant, I'm talking about their chins, and what I was saying was, they have solid chins, but it is easy to think they don't, because Kovalev has the power to knock anyone out. How does that disable him from hurting Canelo?, it takes one clean power shot, the jab can set it up. He does, he just doesn't waste gas in the tank any more. That's because he wasn't putting much into his shots against Alvarez, to pace himself for the 12 rounds, and against Yarde, he was being patient, using his jab, and if the knock out comes, if comes, Yarde was hurt bad in rounds 8 and 10, which is when the opening was there for Kovalev, and he got Yarde out of there.

Canelo can take heavy shots for 12 rounds? How heavy? That's like saying is a piece of string long enough. I agree on Canelo, and yes, Kovalev's power will fade, but if Canelo gets caught early, like Golovkin caught him, he is in trouble, and Kovalev will hit as hard in round 4 as in round 1, in all liklihood.

I disagree, but it's close either way, both are heavy handed, but let's say it's even, Kovalev is doing more or less the same damage to 175lb fighters as Golovkin is doing to 160lb fighters, do you not think for Canelo, taking Kovalev's power is a much bigger ask for that reason? I strongly disagree, I think the opposite, and I think it's accumulation he won't have in this fight, his best chance to dictate terms with the jab, and/or to hurt Canelo, and I think if that right hand lands, Canelo goes down.

It wasn't about that, he mentally broke him because Canelo couldn't hit his opponent, Mayweather is a natural 135-140lb fighter, against a fighter with the chin of Canelo, who is probably a natural 154lb fighter, with a granite chin, at 152, Mayweather didn't hit hard at 147, so how was he going to hurt Canelo?, he didn't hurt him and Canelo wasn't intimidated, he just got mentally broken by being schooled like that, it was a great learning fight for him, it was experience he needed. Did I say Kovalev would be strong for 12 rounds?, I've said before, Kovalev is a 6 round fighter, my prediction is Canelo late, I'm not saying Kovalev won't blow a gasket, I'm saying before that happens, if he can land the shot, he can KO Canelo, and I think he puts Canelo down.

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Quite hard to predict the outcome of this one. Kovalev is older and slower, but bigger and stronger. Canelo is smaller, but quicker, more durable, and has an impressive chin. Canelo's performance against Fielding impressed me, but Kovalev is multiple levels above Fielding. My prediction is that Kovalev will be too big and strong for Canelo and will be able to keep the younger quicker Mexican away with his superior reach. Both will be experiencing difficulties here. Kovalev could tire late or get hurt by Canelo chipping away at the body, but Canelo could be hurt by one of Kovalev's bombs. Kovalev will probably win a relatively close decision, or maybe even a late stoppage if he boxes well. You can't be too sure of the result with this one. But I fear Canelo may have bitten off more than he can chew this time. Kovalev is like a bigger and scarier version of Golovkin, who nearly beat Canelo twice.