Andy Ruiz vs Anthony Joshua II Scorecard by Gold


scorecard by GOLD
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ANDY RUIZ JR
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110
ANTHONY JOSHUA
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118

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Gold's picture

The Anthony Joshua Evolution: Antomir Joshko Edition

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Forgot it was logged into Dad's account, I write the scores and comments on his behalf.

SalTnutZ1's picture

He’s learning the secrets of the Klit, haha

Champion97's picture

Haha. If I were Joshua, I'd take that as a compliment. What did you think of Joshua's movement and how effectively he used clinches? I think based on where we differed, let's call it a draw, because Joshua was light on his feet all night, and his movement was key, but on the other hand, whenever Ruiz landed, Joshua tied Ruiz up, stopped Ruiz building on it whenever he did land clean.

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I thought his movement was better than I expected, but I also expected him to be more aggressive and Ruiz to gas out at the end (he did versus Parker at a higher weight) which is why I switched to Joshua KO/TKO. I agree his movement was key and it is largely a wash on who was "right", but as an aside, this version of Ruiz did not cut the ring at all. I would be interested to see this version of Joshua versus someone who will actually cut the ring off.

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Ruiz did tire at the end, in the last round, he has no fear in terms of taking Joshua's power, he looked tired to me, and if he wasn't tired, why not throw the kitchen sink at Joshua? I didn't expect him to be more aggressive, if your opponent is trying to be the aggressor but can't get in range to hit you, then the jab will win you rounds, any more aggression from Joshua would have been unnecessary. I agree that Ruiz being too heavy was a factor, but on the other hand, Joshua not only kept up his movement for 12 rounds, but his footwork, lateral movement, better than ever, he looked light on his feet, was boxing comfortably at times, I said myself, there is a big difference between moving on your own terms and moving under consistent pressure from your opponent, but Joshua had gas in the tank to spare, probably could have kept up that movement for 15 rounds. How disappointed were you by Ruiz?, he admitted after the fight that he could have prepared better, was too heavy between camps, I think he underestimated Joshua, said he wasn't a good boxer, I was disappointed, but I think it was less of a factor than Joshua getting his head down, coming back better from the loss.

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Yeah but I mean really gassing rather than tiring. He didn't have the ability to cut the ring on Joshua from round 1 on, credit to Joshua for being disciplined. Not that Joshua should have been more aggressive but I thought he would have because he wouldn't have been disciplined enough to keep it up for twelve. I was disappointed, I didn't watch the post-fight interviews but I heard he said he didn't train right and was too heavy, that is very disappointing. This was the biggest fight of his career and he didn't bother to take the effort to prepare for it. If he would have came in and lost with a good effort people would have called for a third fight or a fight with Wilder but I don't think anyone really wants to see that. Make Ruiz vs. Kownacki or something like that instead. That isn't taking away from Joshua who made the right adjustments and fought the right fight though. He deserves credit for that and I'll give him credit for that, or at least until I have to hear the general British boxing public and Eddie act like he's God's gift to boxing again lol

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Ok, but your opponent gassing because you've broken them down with pace or accumulation, wasn't improtant for Joshua, Ruiz has a granite chin, and based on how dangerous Ruiz still looked whenever Joshua briefly fought the wrong fight, I stand by what I said about staying out of Ruiz's punching range being by far the best defence. Yes, but only because of his weight and very slow feet, he is a good pressure fighter, Ruiz. He did say that, the whole weight loss mission was probably supposed to be just to get back down to sub 270, rather than being a lot lighter, but he changed his preparation, told Robles the weight loss was draining him. I'm sure he did in camp, but I agree, relying 100% on camps and having no restrictions or moderation between camps is unprofessional. I agree, he has to rebuild, he can't go straight into another big fight after this fight.

The lack of honesty and realism in boxing is what causes the battle between haters and biased fans, you've been a Joshua hater in the past and I understand why, if Golovkin hadn't been talked of like a god for so many years, excessively hyped, there would be no 'lil G'. Joshua is better than ever, a very good boxer, but he has a weak chin, has weaknesses, he turned his life around and was heading down the wrong path, drugs etc, he is a good role model, but he is not god, he is not perfect, his story has been exaggerated to build his marketability, that's the balance. Do you acknowledge you have been against Joshua in the past because you don't like the exaggerations and overhyping from Matchroom and the British media?

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I'm not sure what you are arguing, I'm saying I expected Ruiz to gas himself out because of the extra weight rather than Joshua gassing him out. Joshua was able to work the jab and grab to an extent, but Pabon was also not calling clinches consistently which is where Ruiz got part of his small amount of success. I do not think Ruiz was a good pressure fighter in this fight, he wasn't making Joshua's movement taxing or putting pressure on Joshua consistently just with his feet.

Originally I said definitely yes, and I would still say largely so. I don't want to get into this, but I do not think there is any chance Joshua has been clean for his entire career which is partially why I have issues with him. With that being said, if Joshua can keep this up he will be better than before, but I think it is too early for me to say off of this one performance. I don't know if he can improve as much as Wlad did with Steward but he was also at a better level than pre-Steward Wlad in my opinion. Regarding hype and exaggerations, I can say the same thing about Lomachenko, I have very few issues with either him or Joshua as fighters in the ring. Both of them have strengths and weaknesses but their actual in-ring performances aren't the issue for me. Someone like Whyte is another conversation though.

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I'm arguing that Joshua did all that was necessary, didn't need to be offensively great. I see what you are saying, but I assume you agree that the reason for that was Ruiz not throwing a lot of shots, knowing they wouldn't land, and not because he was in better shape than we thought based on him being 283. I agree, I stand by most of what I said before the fight, but maybe Ruiz isn't as good at working out of clinches as I thought. I don't think so either, and that's in all liklihood because of the extra weight.

I don't see the problem with discussing topics rationally, I'm not asking questions you've already answered, but our problems in the past have been to do with my unstable mental health, but the conflict was because you were taking out your frustrations with the promoters on the fighters, and doing what I percieved as disrespecting fighters who put their lives on the line, not saying that was your intention, but we both played our part, I'll take 60% of the blame for our history, I was wrong to praise David Price as if he was my son, but you were unnecessarily harsh, but one thing I will say is that part of the reason for my anger over the way you mocked Price and Crolla was disappointment, because I respected you, you're a very logical, rational boxing fan, who is unbiased outside of Matchroom, why do you think a moron like Guy Incognito who is infuriatingly ignorant and obnoxious angers me less than you did?

I don't think you are biased against Lomachenko, and I don't think you say Joshua is much worse than he is if at all, it's the ducking accusations and belittling fighters that angered me, but that's only been the case with Matchroom fighters, because you strongly dislike Hearn, and have taken it out on the fighters in the past. Hearn lost his temper, insisted everyone apologises to Whyte, but he's failed 2 tests, those are the facts, I know how careful honest fighters are, they don't even want to take an asprin, BoxNation pundits have talked about this before, and they were saying that boxers are paranoid people, so I don't buy any excuses, I agree on Whyte. What's the difference between Joshua and Pacquiao? Neither have failed a test, both are suspicious, neither want to kill anyone in the ring, that's 99% guaranteed, it's hard to justify singling Joshua out amongst drug cheats just because you suspect he's on drugs, on the other hand, just because he hasn't failed a test doesn't mean he's clean.

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And I'm not disagreeing with you, he righted the gravy train and got out nearly unscathed. It is just that if he continues using the Antomir Joshko style he's going to be called boring and rightfully so.

Ok, you don't have to take any blame and I don't expect you to, it is said and done. The reason why I think it isn't worthwhile to talk about is that it won't go anywhere, we've already had the discussion and it didn't go anywhere then so what will change?

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Not rightfully so in my opinion, but understandably so. I don't think it's fair to call Joshua boring because he was won 2 great fights in his career, can come through being hurt, dropped, to win, he doesn't have to be prove he is tough, the fight last night was interesting to me as a boxing purist. Klitschko can look back on his career, a proud man, regardless of what people say. There are more casuals than purists, the consensus is that fights have to be tear ups to be entertaining, but did you personally think the fight last night was boring?

I'm not trying to draw you into a topic you would rather not discuss, I'm just establishing the reasons for our history, all water under the bridge I suppose. What we both have to say is more constructive now because you are not critising Joshua as heavily, and I am not defending him as much, I'm just asking a direct question as to what makes him more suspicious than Pacquiao, but if you don't want to discuss it, fair enough. I will give Joshua the benefit of the doubt until he fails a test, but I have no problem with you believing he is on steroids if you logically think that's the reason for his muscle increase, I just think it is unfair to single him out, because he is not the only fighter who is possibly a drug cheat who hasn't been caught, and as you said when you defended Canelo, a lot of great fighters have failed tests and people have forgotten about it.

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Ok, but Wlad has fought in great fights as well, he is still by in large a boring fighter. If Joshua goes in that same direction he will be seen in the same light. I didn't think Ruiz vs. Joshua II was really boring but it was boring considering the hype. It was interesting to watch at the time because you didn't know if Ruiz would land or not, but in retrospect, it was more to see the adjustments of Joshua and the disappointment of Ruiz. I don't think it will have replay value.

Ok, since you are honestly asking I'll tell you that Pacquiao and Mayweather started at the same weight at 16 years old, Pacquiao's weight gain is not inherently suspicious in that regard. However, Joshua's weight gain at the beginning of his career, gaining almost twenty pounds of lean muscle mass in two years, is extremely suspicious. To my knowledge, Joshua is on VADA 365 which doesn't test very frequently but it would be unfairly asking too much of him to be on full VADA because barely anyone does it. If he passes VADA 365 and UKAD theoretically it is a "level playing field" However, you have to keep in mind that whether you believe Joshua has used steroids or not someone like him has access to much more sophisticated doping programs than challengers do and UKAD can be lobbied to make unfair decisions. The reason I would mention Joshua before other fighters is because to me he is the most obvious fighter who hasn't popped. Yeah, in the long term very few people remember failed tests so it isn't likely to be relevant to Joshua's legacy outside of hardcore fans.

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Very few, Joshua is a more entertaining fighter than Klitschko, still, let's be fair, the consensus is that they are boring at times, there are more casuals than purists, but we are both hardcore boxing fans, there is nothing boring about technical boxing, the sweet science is interesting. A question I have is, why the double standard? why isn't Fury boring? Fury's win over Klitschko was more negative than any Joshua fight, more negative than a lot of Klitschko fights. Not a fight you watch several times, but I might give it a second watch, it was fascinating to watch. You can't say what is and isn't boring, it's often a matter of opinion.

That's a good point about age, I acknowledged that myself, making a different point, but still, 16-21, you're still possibly growing. How do you know he gained 20lbs of lean muscle in 2 years? Heavyweights don't have to make weight, maybe Joshua was more hydrated, heavier on the scales against Cornish for reasons other than muscle mass, I don't see how that's an unlikely explanation, but even it that wasn't the case, 1lb of lean muscle in a month, is a lot, whether it's almost impossible or flat out impossible, I don't know, but remember how much smaller a bodyweight percentage that is for a 6'6 heavyweight. What gives him access to sophisticated doping programs? That provides an explanation for the argument that Pacquiao, Canelo are unclean, because why would Joshua have access and not them. I agree, and I don't buy what Hearn is saying about Whyte being clean. I don't know if I ahree or disagree on him being the most obvious fighter who hasn't popped, Pacquiao's ability to hurt bigger guys, having a 24 year career, and Wilder's power, you could question if these things are natural, I think Canelo is suspicious, I don't see Joshua's weight as necessarily more suspicious. At the end of the day, I'm finding the balance between being naive, biting off the head of someone who accuses Joshua of being unclean when they have a logical, valid argument, and saying he's 100% on steriods, we don't know, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but if he failed a test, I wouldn't look for excuses, and I would not be shocked.

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He is, but we'll see if that holds up if he continues using this style. Fury is a different case because he is a 1 of 1, you have said it yourself that he has a unique talent. With that being said him fighting bums is completely boring, but him fighting top-level guys is interesting. The Klitschko fight has basically zero replay value but for me, it was extremely entertaining at the time. No one thought Fury would win, a lot of people thought he was an overhyped bum who was going to get sparked out and he schooled Wlad on the road. He said he'd beat the Klitschko's when he had single-digit fights fighting total bums on irrelevant undercards and made good on his promise, I respect that. If you think it is interesting enough to watch again I wouldn't say that is crazy, it has interesting tactical elements to it, but it was a boring fight in terms of entertainment.

It is hard to say for sure but look at the change in his physique, it is crazy to see. Someone who is already in really good shape like Joshua was at the Olympics and is trying to box professionally shouldn't be able to gain a pound of lean muscle mass a month while looking even leaner than before. Joshua has direct connections to the UK Olympic team that guys like Pacquiao and Canelo don't have. Joshua also had big financial backing as soon as he turned pro which Pac and Canelo didn't have. I don't buy the UKAD explanation of Whyte being clean at all. Totally seems like a political decision especially with the timing of the press release coming out right before Whyte's fight. Pac generates a lot of his power with his speed. If it was as easy as juicing to get what Pac has then it wouldn't be such an outlier in boxing history. Doesn't mean he isn't juicing though, he's 40 with a massive amount of miles on him and looked considerably more athletic than Thurman. I don't think Wilder is suspicious at all to be honest, he has a naturally attainable physique. The leverage and speed he gets on his shots with his frame has a lot to do with his power in my opinion. Canelo is extremely suspicious, his physique at Light Heavyweight versus Kovalev was super obvious. I don't expect you to agree with me either on Joshua or whatever, I give people the benefit of the doubt as long as they are passing tests. However, you have to say that stuff like VADA 365 appears to be more of an anti-doping theater than real testing. I don't think there is a coincidence that when Julian Williams fought Hurd with full VADA Hurd didn't look like he did before.

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It will hold up because it would have been a more entertaining fight had Ruiz not been so heavy, and I don't just mean it would have been closer, because Joshua had a bit left in the tank at the end of the fight, Klitschko vs Haye, Povetkin, were uglier fights with less clean punches landed. Doesn't matter for entertainment, why do you think Mayweather and Ward were called boring? It was enthralling, fascinating, couldn't take your eyes off it, just like Ruiz vs Joshua II, Mayweather vs Alvarez, you savour the shots that do land, the only difference was the fact that it was Klitschko, but it was much more negative that Ruiz vs Joshua II. I was 95% sure Fury would win, I have a prediction analysis to prove it, I've been saying for years Fury is a phenomenal boxer, he becomes dangerous when he is hurt because of his fighting mentality but also because his opponent is never prepared for him to recover so fast. He took away Klitschko's jab, never gave Klitschko the opening to land. I supose a way of putting it is, it was more interesting than entertaining.

How much do you know about this aspect of biology? I don't know a lot, I don't have the knowledge to agree or disagree on 20lbs of muscle in 2 years being impossible, but do you agree that the weigh in weight of a heavyweight could be a lot less accurate than the lower weights? They also have all sorts of possible connections to dodgy coaches, certain substances that don't get found on tests. I don't buy it either and Hearn taking a dig at the 'haters' is disgraceful, when a fighter fails a test, on the same week as boxing loses 2 fighters, people are justified in slaughtering the fighter. I disagree, I think Pacquiao is exclusively fast and exclusively powerful, the speed accelerates the punches, contributes to the power of the shots, basic physics, but that's always the case with hand speed.

That's a good point, Robert Garcia once said Pacquiao is one in a million, and there will never be another Manny Pacquiao, but I don't buy he is clean, but just like with Joshua, let's find the balance, Pacquiao is suspicious, no shock if he failed a drug test, but we don't know 100% sure he's on steriods, if he is, he isn't the only one. I don't like how Hearn, Roach, Adam Booth talk about drug cheats as if they are cold blooded killers, it misleads and confuses the fans, and I don't like the double standards and bias in this country, as much as I'm a fan of Bellew, he's selective with who is and isn't a drug cheat. Why does him looking considerably more athletic than Thurman support him being clean? Athletes outside of boxing take PEDs as well, sprinters, long distance runners.

His power, on some level, is suspicious, I agree he isn't particularly suspicious overall, there are a lot of fighters who have never failed a test as far as I know but I'm 90% sure are on steroids, Wilder isn't one of them, but some people might disagree. Steriods can give you unnatural power, so any particularly high level of power raises some questions. And so was his ability to knock Kovalev out like that, despite Kovalev's fatuige, miles, fairly weak chin. I agree on VADA, I don't think there is any anti-doping agency which is 100% reliable.

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I'm talking about the rest of his career if he keeps using this style, not just Ruiz vs. Joshua II. Lets not get carried away, this was not Mayweather vs. Canelo. Canelo showed up in shape and was a top 10 pound for pound fighter and Mayweather put in a comprehensive performance. Ruiz showed up 15 lbs heavier and Joshua did have issues the few times when Ruiz able to get close and trade. Again, not taking credit away from Joshua, he did what he had to do in the fight. If you were 95% sure you were one of the few, surely you know the public sentiment was that Fury was going to be beaten badly.

Him looking more athletic than Thurman doesn't support him being clean, it goes against it. However, you have to say that 99.9% of athletes that are 40, they can be roided and look the part but they don't have the physical ability anymore. Think of someone like Roy Jones Jr or Holyfield late in their careers for example. Somehow Pacquiao does still has the ability, but even he doesn't have the finishing gears he once had. Prime Pacquiao would have stopped Thurman when Thurman was seriously hurt to the body.

I guess you can say Wilder's power is suspicious but it isn't from having a lot of muscle mass. His long levers and speed are unique and help him generate power. Do you think Billy Joe Saunders can step up if he gets the fight versus Canelo? Or will the Lemeiux fight and his potential look like a mirage?

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Ok, but he is not Klitschko, and it is highly unlikely he will ever do certain things as well as Klitschko, but will also do certain things better than Klitschko. I wasn't saying Joshua's win or performance was anywnere as impressive as the boxing lesson Mayweather gave Canelo, what I was saying was, people said Mayweather, Ward were boring, just like Joshua's win ove Ruiz, so by that logic, Fury is boring as well, but in my opinion, none of them are boring, this is boxing. Every boxing fan loves a war, some fans only like a war, some find great technical boxing skills, fascinating to watch, and not just at the highest level, that's not to say I thought Askin vs Okolie was good, or Fury vs Peter, those weren't technical. Absolutely, people gave Fury no chance, it was a major upset, no doubt, but it wasn't just a major upset because of Klitschko was Klitschko, it was also because Fury, in the first Chisora fight, Cunningham and Abel fights, didn't do himself justice.

True, Pacquiao is a special fighter, steroids or not. Hopkins aged as well as Pacquiao in my opinion, Jones was different because he stepped down in levels. Pacquiao's skull seems to have changed shape and size since early in his career, is that because of steriods as lot of people think? Has his skull not changed? Or is there another explanation?. Also, when Pacquiao had the shoulder issue before the Mayweather fight, why did he ask for toradol and not cortisone? My source for that being true is Paulie, but if what Paulie says is true, that is very suspicious. I definitely agree a prime Pacquiao would have stopped Thurman after landing that body shot.

True but him not having muscle mass only disproves he takes drugs to make himself bigger, not that he has unnatural power, not saying PEDs are the reason for his power, I personally don't think PEDs are the reason, but him being a small heavyweight doesn't disprove he takes PEDs. I do, I think Saunders would not only match but improve on his performance from the Lemieux fight, I don't think he'd beat Canelo, but he can and would exceed what he did against Lemieux, you?

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I don't think Joshua is nearly as interesting as a tactician as Mayweather or Ward. Klitschko is more interesting as a tactician than Joshua as well because he's more skilled, but again, Joshua is the more entertaining fighter as it stands now. I like to watch tactical fights as well but there has to be some basis in entertainment.

I think that is just pseudo-science. He looks the same as he did early in his career just more filled out and aged. You have seen late-career Holyfield though right? He looks like he is in great shape but can't pull the trigger or do the things he used to be able to do unlike Pacquiao or Hopkins. I don't trust anything Paulie says regarding Pacquiao, he is a complete hypocrite when it comes to steroids, he worked with Memo Heredia which to me automatically invalidates anything he says about others using steroids.

He has also had that power throughout his whole career going back to when he didn't have any big money backing. I am skeptical about Saunders, I think he has lived the wrong life for too long and that Super Middleweight is the wrong weight for him. I think he'll do better than he did in his last two fights but he'll struggle to reach his best level. I'd like to be proven wrong though and see Saunders really challenge Canelo with his movement and defense.

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I agree, but what I'm saying is, he can't be called boring on the basis that he boxed technically well against Ruiz, and if he is called boring, Mayweather and Ward are boring by the same logic, because if Ruis vs Joshua II was boring, a more masterful performance from a better technician is also boring.

You think his skull increasing is a myth? Fair enough, but it does appear that way. Yes, and that's a good point, he got loss after loss to fighters he was better than in his prime, but could you not argue that that's because Holyfield was clean and Pacquiao isn't? I know your point is that Pacquiao has maintained natural attributes in his old age, but PEDs don't just increase power and strength, but I don't know how many PEDs there are which allow you to pull the trigger and be explosive. I don't have a problem with that, Paulie has a very different approach on PEDs in boxing when it isn't about Canelo or Pacquiao, it's a shame he let's his personality factor in his work because he would be one of the best analysts in boxing if he was more professional.

True, which is why Chisora, Glenn Foot are suspicious to me. I think he'd be better at 160, but I think he's big enough that he can still do well at 168. Saunders hasn't been consistent, but it seems he's lived the life more in recent years, I don't think he went off the wagon as much as after the Lee win even after he failed the drug test. I think Andrade is the biggest threat to Canelo at 160, Plant at 168, I know you disagree on Andrade being that good and think Benavidez would beat Plant, but I think they have the skills to give Canelo problems, Andrade has been more consistent than Saunders even without the meaningful fights, I think Plant has the best technical skills at 168 out of himself, Benavidez and Smith. It's hard to say whether fighting or boxing is a better way to beat Canelo, because he can do both so well, so it's hard to say who can give him more problems.

What do you think is next for Ruiz? He's not getting the trilogy anytime soon if ever, but I think he can come again, there are a lot of fights for him on Sky, maybe on a Matchroom USA card, and I could see him coming to the UK.

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Right, but you can say if he continues to box like that it will be boring because he isn't operating at the same level of technical ability as Mayweather or Ward. How does that make sense? If people enjoy technical boxing and they didn't think the technical skill of Joshua was good enough to make that style interesting then they could call it boring.

I think it is a myth, but you have to figure if someone is fighting at Light Flyweight or Flyweight and moves all the way up to Welterweight over time their head is going to look somewhat different because they won't be as gaunt. Holyfield was 100% not clean, he was juicing. Not only does he completely fail the eye test, he is linked to steroid purchases. PEDs as far as I know can't regain the fast twitch muscles and reflexes that decline with age, if there are I've never heard of it.

Hopefully, he has lived the life, I may not follow him as closely as you do, I'm not from the UK after all. Andrade is a complete guess for me, there is a chance he may cut it at the top level with his natural gifts, or that the low level of competition has obscured his flaws. Someone who can beat Canelo has to be good at all aspects, because he can adapt to expose the flaws of the opponent if they aren't.

Maybe you know something I don't, but Ruiz is still with PBC so there is no reason he'd be working with Sky, Matchroom, or going to the UK. I think Kownacki or Ortiz is the right fight for him at PBC. If he shows up and does well in those fights then maybe he can fight Wilder.

Did you hear about Oubaali vs. Donaire? I think that will be a great fight, hopefully that lines up Inoue vs. Casimero and the winners can fight each other for the undisputed title.

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It doesn't make sense to me that Joshua bored a purist, he merely doesn't have skills on the same level as Mayweather and Ward, doesn't mean he is boring, wemight have to agree to disagree on that, unless you think there's something I've not considered.

The comparison was from his twenties, not his teens, there is no natural reason for a grown adult's skull to increase, so that is suspicious, however it might be an illusion created by people who make videos and want people to think Pacquiao is a guaranteed drug cheat, and that's a possible explanation about them not being gaunt, still, he's suspicious, I think he is a drug cheat because I think the way he has carried up his power is unnatural, I don't think Paulie tells lies, still, he hasn't failed a test, innocent until proven guilty, and Pacquiao is a boxing legend regardless.

Saunders has always been an on the night fighter, likes to fight, likes to box, hates to train, he will never be a relatively diciplined professional, but he seems to be more diciplined than he was a few years back, he blew up between Lee and Akavov, he rushed back down to 160, which is probably the reason he was so bad against Akavov. I think Saunders can repeat what he did against Lemieux, he would have a great camp for Canelo, he would be at his best for that fight, as long as he didn't start camp too heavy.

Hearn said he would be more than happy to work with Ruiz again, I didn't even consider the fact he's a PBC fighter and has his own promotional stable, my bad. Those are very interesting fights.

I read that on BoxingScene, great fight. In an ideal world that would happen, the best fighting the best, there doesn't seem to be too many obstacles to stop a fight for undisputed happening at 118, unlike 147.

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To be fair, most of the reason it was boring was because of Ruiz. If Ruiz pushed Joshua more maybe we would have seen more.

Using pictures to talk about someone's head looking bigger is crazy unless it is something like Barry Bonds (look his head up early career versus late career). I don't know how someone could come to a conclusion based on that, and I personally don't see that with Pacquiao at all.

The IBF apparently called their mandatory on Inoue which Top Rank wants to target for April. Totally uninteresting fight but it is probably a good idea to give Inoue some time off and a tune-up.

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I agree it would have been a better fight.

Well it's the shape as well as the size, but it might not be how it looks in the pictures. I see the difference, but what you said about weight cutting might be the explanation.

Definitely, coming off that war against Donaire.

Garcia vs Redkach is on, not a bad fight, but if it's a tough fight for Garcia and not just a tune up as it's probably supposed to be, he might not be Spence's next opponent.

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I kind of wanted to see Broner vs. Redkach after Broner talked trash about it at the Pacquiao vs. Thurman fight "His last name Redkach, so they need to pay me in fifties. Some red cash" lol. I think that is more of the level of fight Redkach is good for. DSG should beat Redkach easily.

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I think the vast majority of the blame for this fight being boring should go on Ruiz, he was in much worse condition than last time and couldn't execute anything. Joshua should get some blame for the Antomir Joshko style but he did what he had to do to right the gravy train and fought at a good level, so credit to him in that regard. I don't think Ruiz really tested if that Joshko style would work versus higher level guys, Ruiz put almost zero effective pressure on Joshua and completely failed to cut off the ring. However, I think this style for Joshua will get him farther if he improves his clinch game because Ruiz did catch him a few times in close. Wilder and Fury are the clear cut #1 and #2, but the winner of that fight versus Joshua who is the clear cut #3 is something we need to see.

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Responding here to avoid clogging the fight page

I think Wilder, for the duration of the fight, is more predictable than Joshua, we've seen him out boxed and technically struggle more than Joshua, but I agree in a sense because he is able to hit opponents when they don't see it coming, and I definitely agree on his right hand not being limited to an overhand swing, because he is also dangerous with the straight right down the centre. I've always known Fury has a great recovery, but I didn't think he'd get up against Wilder because I thought he was out cold, his own family didn't think he would get up, that will go down in history, no doubt.

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It is fair to say he is more predictable for the majority of the time, but that's not the end game with Wilder, by being unpredictable while only needing one shot he's more unpredictable in general. Wilder was surprised too when Fury got up, he was celebrating as if he'd won the fight.