Sat, 2019-07-20 15:51
Good fight, not anywhere near as close as the scorecard indicates. Whyte did what he had to do. The warning signs that were there for Rivas versus Jennings ended up being major factors. Now we will get the pleasure of watching Fury dance around Whyte for twelve rounds or Wilder put Whyte flat on the canvas.
Sat, 2019-07-20 15:53
Yeah, didn’t expect him to fight off the backfoot with the jab most the fight. Expected him to get caught cold in an exchange. And he did, and didn’t think he’d get up when he got caught, but showed good resilience. But yeah, Fury or Wilder do a number on him.
Sat, 2019-07-20 15:56
Unless Whyte proves you wrong, which he might, but he deserves the shot, that's the crucial thing, I don't think he beats Fury or Wilder, but he deserves the opportunity. Like or dislike him, Whyte deserves credit for fighting Rivas, high risk opponent, he could have sat on his ranking, but he chose to take a tough fight.
Sat, 2019-07-20 16:01
Oh, I don’t dispute he deserves a shot. Wonder how long he has to stay shelved while the top 4 settle it, and whether he or Usyk get a crack at one of the titles first. High risk, and he answered questions about how he’d fight if he couldn’t be the bully. He performed above my expectations for sure. As you said, I don’t put him on the level with Wilder, Fury, etc, but he deserves his crack at it.
Sat, 2019-07-20 16:24
He deserves it now that he has fought for the WBC mandatory, he could not have sat on his ranking because he wasn't the mandatory before.
Sat, 2019-07-20 17:29
Resposting without the stuff that can cause ding dongs.
Whyte can't get a shot until late 2020, surely, the WBC title will be fought for this year when Wildee fights Ortiz again, and the Wilder vs Fury rematch assuming Wilder gets past Ortiz again and Fury wins his fight, so how could Whyte get a shot within the next year? He has at least one more fight before he fights for a world title.
Sat, 2019-07-27 10:22
Mauricio Sulaiman said that the WBC is in their right to retract the mandatory status that Whyte won in this fight. Back of the line for Whyte
Sat, 2019-07-27 11:01
Definitely in their right, but the WBC have questions to answer if they do that, Luis Ortiz has failed at least two tests himself and still got not just one but two opportunities. Rivas apparently failed one as well, but that shouldn't get Whyte out of the woods if it's true, because apparently the steroid he tested positive for is a strong one, illegal in most countries, not a drug you accidentally consume.
Sat, 2019-07-27 11:40
The Ortiz case was somewhat different, if I remember correctly, the first test he failed was a WBA sanctioned fight and the second one with the WBC he was found to not be at fault for. Unlike Whyte's first positive test that he should have got a light suspension/fine for but didn't, the WBC let Ortiz off relatively easy. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if Rivas failed a test, he raises questions on the eye test. Yeah, like you said Dbol is a very powerful anabolic steroid. I'm surprised he would even risk it with something like that. The BBBoC needs to be investigated, they could have put themselves in a lot of peril not notifying all parties and allowing Whyte vs. Rivas to happen. Imagine if something terrible happened to Rivas in the fight. Another issue with Whyte testing positive is it appears that he beat the VADA and WBC CBP tests but failed the UKAD test, so that puts the credibility of those programs in question.
Sat, 2019-07-27 12:14
That's just flat out bias, there is always an excuse, blood pressure medication, tainted meat, take your pick, Whyte has failed two tests just like Ortiz, he is no worse than Ortiz, I understand that WBC aren't responsible for a fight which is sanctioned by another organisation, but they have sanctioned Ortiz to fight, I believe, as do a lot of people, if corrupt is a strong word, they are very biased.
We disagree on the WBC, but the BBBofC are a joke, Robert Smith is a skumbag, he denied an investigation the day after Nick Blackwell almost died out of laziness most likely, they care more about bank balance than they do about the safety of fighters. The BBBofC are what people unfairly accuse Hearn of being.
Yes, and let's think of the nerve, the gall of Miller and Whyte, 'Joshua lost to Ruiz because of VADA', Joshua has never failed a test, they have both failed 3-4, and based on what you just said, UKAD might not even be easier to get past than VADA.
Sat, 2019-07-27 12:42
No, I am saying Whyte and Ortiz both have one failed test that is at least somewhat questionable. Whyte shouldn't have got the suspension he did on his first failed test given the circumstances of it. The WBC sanctioned Ortiz for the one test he failed that they found to have questionable circumstances so he got off easy. The other sanctioning bodies/commissions can't suspend fighters if they weren't sanctioning what popped the boxer. That's why Miller got off so easily, he wasn't actually licensed in New York yet so NYSAC couldn't suspend him.
The BBBoC is like any other big commission, looking out for the interests of their bottom line and the interests of the promoters bottom lines. Very disappointing.
Those two aren't mutually exclusive, but it does bring VADA into question. Joshua could have TUEs or other circumstances with UKAD that he doesn't with VADA. Both Miller and Whyte look like idiots without a doubt, I never rated either of them highly. There are very few legitimately good heavyweights in my opinion. Think of the nerve of Eddie in this situation, last year he blasted BJS under the same circumstances Whyte has, called him a drug cheat and didn't give him the benefit of the doubt. Last week he implied Pacquiao was a drug cheat. He has said boxers who fail two tests should be permanently banned. Now he is backing Whyte who has failed before and failed again for dbol while telling people to wait and give him the benefit of the doubt, etc.
Sat, 2019-07-27 14:35
If you accept that Whyte (a Matchroom fighter), and Ortiz are in the same boat drugs wise, I'll go along with that. They found to have questionable circumstances?, it's too early to there aren't questionable circumstances in Whyte's case, I don't buy there is no bias there.
I disagree with the BBBofC being lumped together with every other commission, they are worse than most state commissions, maybe not the Nevada state athletic commision, but most.
You being 90% sure Joshua is on steroids is no more or less plausible than me being 90% sure Pacquiao is, neither have failed tests, but both are suspicious.
Not a lot of good heavyweight contenders, but there are plenty of good prospects, so the division will be more competitive in 5 years I reckon.
That's a double standard, I agree on that, and as much as I don't like PEDs in boxing, Hearn has got carried away in the past, 'attempted murder, drug cheats should all be jailed', etc, it confuses and misleads fans, because a boxer who takes PEDs because a lot of other fighters do it, is wrong, but it's not what some people make it out to be.
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