Keith Thurman vs. Robert Guerrero Scorecard by ChrisBoxer14


scorecard by CHRISBOXER14
Round
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
Total
KEITH THURMAN
10
10
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
9
118
ROBERT GUERRERO
9
9
10
9
9
9
9
9
8
10
9
10
110

Fight:



More:

Keith Thurman

Robert Guerrero



We do need help growing, please share:

Comments

Champion97's picture

Wasn't this an absolute classic!!, I can see why you had that 10th round even, I edged it to Thurman with literally one punch in it. Based on this performance would you fancy Thurman's chances against the likes of Floyd Mayweather?, I personally think that he is in the top 3 welterweight on the planet, what do you think?

Hey Champions 97. This fight was an absolute classic! Thoroughly enjoyed it! I agree with you on Thurman being top 3 Welterweight. I would love to see that fight and have been wanting to see Mayweather and Thurman fight for some time already. Thurman is young but is improving and proving to me, anyway, that he can be more than just the "big punch" knockout guy. Floyd would have to bring his A game in my opinion as always. Would be an exciting fight. Floyd gets the nod from me, based solely on experience, and wins a close decision in my opinion. Would love to see this fight. As for Thurman as a fighter, I really liked what I saw out of him in this fight and like where he is at right now as far as developing his overall skillset. Cant wait to see him fight again

Champion97's picture

Absolutely, what I like about Thurman is that incredible footwork, the way he floats about all over the ring and makes his opponents chase him, I like the way he gets close and throws 3 or 4 punch combos with excellent speed, power and timing. The reason I would pick him to beat Floyd is because Floyd would have to chase Thurman which is not something he is used to, Mayweather would slow down if he tried to match up to Thurman's woke rate, I can't see him surviving after taking heavy punches from Thurman. If you look you see Thurman beat the ghost better than Floyd, the best person to ask would be the ghost. BTW what are you saying about this weekend? I keep changing my mind, it all depends on whether Manny makes any mistakes, if not them I think he wins via UD. Good to talk to you.

I agree with your sentiments on a Floyd-Thurman fight and could see it going in that direction as well. Floyd is so slick and tricky sometimes that I think he would make it difficult for Thurman to land his combinations but I could see Floyd wearing down as the fight went on after taking some heavy punches like you said. Would love to hear what the Ghost thinks, you make a good point, as I agree with you that I think Thurman beat him more thoroughly than Floyd did.

As for this wknd, I'm with you as I can't seem to makeup my mind. My heart tells me Manny but my head tells me Floyd. I keep gong back and forth as well. Manny is so busy and obviously throws his combinations with such speed that clearly Floyd is going to have fight much better and be more aggressive than he was in both of his fights with chino. I think your right in regards to Manny not making any mistakes. If he can avoid making any mistakes then I think he can pull it out. Manny will have to pace himself so he doesn't expunge too much energy in the early rounds and have some extra in the tank for the final rounds where Floyd always seems to put his close fights away by landing more significant counterpunches. I could honestly see a very close UD going in Floyd's favor, or a SD for Manny. As long as Manny can keep Floyd off balance and not allow Floyd to make his famous in-fight, middle round adjustments I'm with you and think Manny can pull it out. I hate to say this, but I do think Manny will have to be convincing to get the decision in Las Vegas.

Champion97's picture

Mayweather vs Pacquiao is getting more exiting as it gets closer. I am so exited for the fight that I have written a round by round prediction analysis. If I put the puzzle pieces together my mind tells me that most attributes pieced together makes them even but then fitness and stamina comes into it, Mayweather struggled for pace in his last fight against Marcos Maidana, that fight was pretty slow paced and Maidana looked frustrated at how he couldn't quite up the pace and he had too much in the tank after the fight, Mayweather threw under 400 punches, Pacquiao looked as fresh as a daisy from first bell to last against Algieri in a fast paced fight, he wore Tim Bradley out after 6 or 7 rounds with his pace and if you have seen more than 1 or 2 Tim Bradley fights then you will know what an achievement that is, think about how slow paced Mayweather vs Canelo was in comparison to Pacquiao vs Rios. It is factual that Mayweather couldn't manage 5 rounds at Pacquiao pace but it is also factual that Floyd is extremely intelligent in the ring and he is brilliant at slowing the pace down but Maidana, Canelo, Guerrero, Cotto, Ortiz, Mosely and others of recent all have inferior foot speed, hand speed, angles and engines to Pacquuao and for these reasons Floyd will be forced to fight at a faster pace, I think that he will slow the pace down but not enough, I think he'll will be able to cope with 9 rounds, If they are closely contested when they are both fresh then surely if one of them is exhausted and the other is still fresh then this goes heavily in the superior athlete's favour as a fighter is so much slower and weaker when they are out of gas. I believe that after 9 rounds they will have each won a clear round or 2 and there will have been about 6 rounds that could have gone either way and the judges will be split in Manny's favour, 86-85, 85-86 and 86-85. I think that Manny will completely dominate the last 3 rounds and stamina is the difference. UD for Pacquiao, 116-112, 116-112 and 115-113. Another thing I would like to point out is that the referee is very biased towards his own country, I remember when Adrien Broner picked up Carlos Molina and flipped him over onto his back like a coin and Bayless didn't even give him a firm warning, he deducted a point from Chino for pushing Mayweather lightly to get him off him, he didn't take any points from Floyd for elbows, unsportsmanlike conduct, low blows or unnecessary clinching and he was guilty of all these fouls in his previous fight. Manny is very humble and if Floyd holds to waste time then someone like Chino will say "fight like a man" and push him or knee him off, totally fair but it gives a biased referee grounds to insinuate punishment is deserved and a ticket for a point deduction. If Floyd holds Manny to waste time then he will patiently wait for the ref to break them up because he is too humble to commit any foul. I'm not worried about Manny losing points because it will be impossible for even a scheming, biased ref like Bayless to imply that he committed a foul, there is still the issue of Mayweather getting away with with dirty fighting though.

I mostly agree on Thurman vs Mayweather but I think Thurman would know better than to chase Floyd early, I think he would take Floyd where he has never been before and prove to be to mobile as he floats about all over the ring. I think Floyd would have plenty of success and mark One Time up with his sharp counters and Thurman isn't hard to hit once you are close to him but I think as soon as Floyd felt his power this would force him to throw very little because of the three of being countered, I think those speedy combos would be a bit too much for Floyd as he would use a couple to split the guard and the third and fourth land with authority. One more piece of advice for Manny and that is throw 3s and 4s and then get the hell out of there.

Right! I'm pumped I can't wait for tomorrow night too! I'm impressed with your in-depth analysis. You make great points about stamina and pace. I never really compared the pace of the two fighters in their recent fights like you did broke it down and you make a good point about Floyd potentially tiring over the final 3 rounds. I agree 100% with that last piece of advise for Manny - if he can throw 3s and 4s and get the hell out of there to avoid those Floyd counters he'll win the fight. I could see the fight going the way you predict, except I differ with you in the final scorecards (not that I can't see the final totals going the way you predict). After 9 rounds I see it pretty much identical to you, with about 2 rounds clearly for each fighter and about 5 that could go either way. I also think it will be an extremely close split at this point, but I think it will be in Floyds favor 86-85,86-85,85-86. I think Manny will do enough down the stretch like you to win each of the final 3 rounds, however I think they'll just be close enough that the judges will score them 3-0, 2-1, 2-1 for Manny. Final scores Manny 116-112; Floyd 115-113; and 114-114 for a split draw in a fight that many will think Manny will have done enough to win. Personally, I don't want that result of course, as I tend to agree with you and think that Manny is going to win this fight. In the end I think Floyd will be his usual self, and like usual somehow will have a higher % on compu by the end of the night, but Manny will have out thrown and out landed Floyd. 192/486 for Floyd 41% and 249/683 for Manny 36%. (Maybe not these exact totals of course, but I could see the final figures being somewhere in the general ballpark) Enough to make a very solid compelling case for Manny but just enough for some to make a case for Floyd because of his superior accuracy yet again. Personally, when I score fights I tend to favor the busier fighter, not that I don't appreciate a good defensive fighter, (for instance, I thought like many that Pernell Whitaker clearly beat Chavez and that he clearly beat De La Hoya too -curious what your thoughts are on those 2 fights). Accuracy is important of course, but I think Floyd tends to get too many points because he was more "accurate" and not necessarily landing the more impactful punches, in my opinion anyway.

You also bring up an excellent point about the ref, Bayless too. That will be something to watch. Youre exactly on point about Manny being very humble and therefore won't foul Floyd if Floyd resolves to excessive holding again and fouling and I think your right that Bayless won't step in and warn Floyd. therfore opening the door for Floyd to get away with some dirty fighting. Really good point. You seem very insightful and I've enjoyed reading your breakdown and thoughts on the fight. As well as your thoughts on a Thurman-Floyd fight.

Champion97's picture

You know you remind me a lot of myself with your large comment, it is great to write a lot because you give specific details rather than just a prediction. What I think is messing with the heads of the pundits is the fact that Floyd has just beaten Canelo, Maidana, Guerrero and all of them tried a faster pace but it didn't work and they all lost in the end so people think fitness won't tell but none of these guys have the hand speed, the foot speed, the agility, the angles or the experience of Pacquiao. What you said about the judging was very interesting, initially I thought the same thing but when you think about recent years you may change your mind because if you revisit each of their last 2 or 3 fights you see that although many pundits scored the second Maidana fight 118-109 the official cards were 116-111 twice and 115-112, Algieri could have won 3 rounds against Pacquiao and yet one judge gave him none and the other 2 just 1, most people had the second Bradley fight 116-112 and some 115-113 but a judge gave him a completely fair but wider 118-110, Floyd beat Chino via MD when over 90% of the boxing writers, journalists and former fighters thought Floyd won, Mayweather could have won every round against Canelo and Guerrero and yet all 3 judges gave the ghost 3 rounds and he beat Canelo via MD, widest score being 117-111. I'm not worried about Manny being robbed by the judges, ref yes but judges no. Interesting, I can see what you mean about the final scores but if you think about it Floyd will be so much slower and weaker than Manny when he has run out ha sand Manny is still fresh. Wow, I'm very impressed that you predicted the stats, please confirm one thing though, they are the real stats right and that awful compubox. I predicted the stats in my round by round prediction of Khan vs Mayweather, I think I may have exaggerated how quiet the fight would be but I put them in. I am certain that Mayweather is confident of a knockout, he does have very underrated strength and power. I think he doesn't realise how tough Manny is. I am exactly the same as you win that I tend to favour the busier fighter. Do you box? Just interested, I have just had to take time out but am back in the sport, I see Manny Pacquiao as a role model, I don't think Floyd Mayweather is a good example for young rising fighters, I believe that a boxer should be obsessed with their fitness and respect their opponents like Pacquiao, not box only fully on their terms and make it all about money rather than respect like Mayweather. Mayweather is a very sharp puncher, he feels that his sharpness and underrated power on his shots will be enough to stop Manny. I think it is possible that Manny gets dropped, I think when it came to it Floyd would settle for a 2 point round rather than go for the finish, I think if we went for a long sustained beating he would punch himself out, I'm sure he wants a 1 punch knockout. My final prediction is Manny Pacquiao by UD, 116-112 twice and 115-113, I think we will see a better Manny Pacquiao that ever before, to be honest if Manny wins then I can see Manny retiring after one more fight later in the year and Mayweather retiring straight after this fight. If Floyd wins then I can see an interesting September rematch.

Good to talk with you as well

Champion97's picture

Hi buddy, I know I haven't spoken to you in a while, but I have something I would like to ask you, I have an idea for this site, well, I say only an idea, I have already set it up, it is all about predictions, what we do is, we give our predictions for any upcoming fights we have in mind, as many as we like, and whichever fights we like, if we are accurate in out predictions, we are awarded a certain amount of points, and at the end of the month, the judge with the most points is crowned prediction king or queen of the month, would you like to be involved?