Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
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Jarod Killian
Mon, 2022-01-24 12:40
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
Slight hunch Mario Neighborhoods will need to stop Keith if he's to win. I am also sensing Keith will have a very lackluster showing. I'd like to go with Mario Neighborhoods getting the nod but I'm going to say it'll be a SD win for Keith.
Champion97
Fri, 2022-02-04 13:36
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
Prediction.
Thurman hasn't fought in 2 and a half years, he's had 2 fights since early 2017. Barrios is young, he has the potential to keep improving, Thurman is not young, he's taken a fair amount of damage, is very injury prone, and he will never get back to his best, the question is how close he can come to his best. Thurman is a career welterweight, Barrios is not, he's fought at welterweight, but he's coming up from 140, has fought at 122, his toughest opponents have been at 140, so the size aspect favours Thurman. Barrios isn't defensively great, Thurman hits harder than him, he can hurt Barrios, Barrios might struggle with Thurman's lateral movement, and if Thurman lands the right hand off the back foot, or lands it as Barrios backs ups, that shot can do damage, but even with Thurman being stronger at 147, he hasn't fought many opponents with Barrios's height and reach, and his timing will be comprised by the layoff. Barrios's stamina is better than Thurman's, the fight will favour him more as it goes on if Thurman can't claim centre ring and use his size to control the pace. Thurman can use his size to put Barrios on the back foot, is predominantly a front foot fighter, but he can box on the back foot, he definitely has a better jab than Thurman, he's the better fundamental boxer, and if he's busy with his jab, that could be a big problem for Thurman, especially with his reach advantage. I think the most damaging shot in the fight is Barrios's left uppercut to the body, Thurman has always been vulnerable to the body, if anything, that will have got worse. The fight is interesting on the outside, I think Thurman still has more speed in hand and foot, and if he can let his hands go before Barrios can throw his jab, and stay mobile, he can out box Barrios, but if Barrios establishes his jab, he can get the better of Thurman at long range. Even though he's the smaller fighter, I think on the inside, although Thurman is good enough on the inside to make it competitive, Barrios will get the better of it in close.
I think Barrios will start the fight behind his jab, will take centre ring and force Thurman to give up his size advantage, he'll behind with the feet, will struggle to follow the jab up, but Thurman will be uncomfortable on the back foot, his timing will be off, he will be hesitant to throw because of it, will look to cut distance and step in with the right hand, but will fall short in the early rounds. I think Thurman will negate Barrios's jab in the mid rounds, will step into range and throw combinations more often, will pivot, won't stand and oblige Barrios, and Barrios won't be able to consistently pressure him. I think Thurman will start to tire after 6 rounds, his movement will slow down, and that will allow Barrios to be more aggressive. I think the fight will be competitive at mid range in the mid-late rounds, the tempo will be very high, Barrios will do a lot of damage to the body, Barrios will have to take hard, clean shots, and work hard to push the stronger fighter back, and the fight will take more out of Thurman than Barrios, Barrios will close the gap in the late rounds, Barrios will get the better of Thurman on the inside, will hurt him bad to the body, Thurman will be defenceless, his movement will stop, and Barrios will stop him.
I'd be surprised if Thurman won this, I think it's far too tough a fight given how long he's been out, I won't be surprised if it goes the distance, but I think Barrios will win by late stoppage.
Jarod Killian
Sat, 2022-02-05 20:16
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
"Order my motherfucking pay per view!!!!!" - Keith Thurman
Chris M95
Sun, 2022-02-06 01:20
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
you better not duck ppv son
beaunuitmem
Mon, 2022-02-07 10:59
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
Would Barrios have stopped Thurman wuth the body shot in the 8th if they fought in 8oz gloves, in your opinions? I'm not sure either way.
Jarod Killian
Sat, 2022-02-12 21:28
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
I don't think gloves make that big of a deal. If you were a good puncher you'd get the KO whether you have the 10oz, 8oz whether you went with the shiny red macho Cleto Reye's Made In Mexico will add inches to your dick gloves or the light pink Jap Winning Girl's Pajama Party Pillow Fight gloves. I'd say things like having to go up a weight class, having to drain yourself to make weight or that whole no hyperhydration clause Malecinnamon had for Kovalev would have a bigger impact in reducing a puncher's punch than gloves. Just my 2 cents.
beaunuitmem
Sun, 2022-02-13 06:40
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
With pearlers like "pyjama party pillow fight gloves" your 2 cents is always worth at least 3.
I think you're right, he probably would have survived anyway but he didn't go up a weight class, there was no rehydration clause and if the 147 division uses 8oz at championship level, exploiting a regional loophole to get 10's is a "remove inches from your dick" move. I read it as an admission that he is draining too much and he's weak to the body and it played out like that but Barrios wasn't good enough on the night to exploit it fully. I like Thurman as a personality and I don't want to see him in with a Crawford, Ennis, Spence or Ortiz because he'll get hurt bad. Hopefully he can convince Manny to come out of retirement and they do one more in the Philippines and call it a day.
Jarod Killian
Sun, 2022-02-13 11:41
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
I'm not going to lie I was surprised by Keith's showing. I thought Neighborhoods was going to stop him. I might reconsider how good Neighborhoods might be. I really thought he had the tools to beat Tank I obviously go that one wrong but then if he is anywhere near elite level he should've had no issue in dispatching a semi-retired former champ like Keith. I thought given his size and jab and look this ain't me being no sour grapes or anything I'm no fan of Neighborhoods either let me put it out there but even in against Tank at some point of that fight it seemed like Neighborhoods was well on his way to prove me right. After that fight, I came out a Tank fan......UP UNTIL he fought Isaac Cross at which point I'm going to wait till he fights Roland Rosemary to reconsider. I think Rosemary has a decent shot against Tank given Tank's showing against Cross don't you think? On a separate note but not really, I read somewhere that Isaac Cross purposely gave his head (top of head not chin) for Tank to land a blow so he'd deliberately break his wrist. Now, that's a tough motherfucker at a whole new level of breed if that's true.
beaunuitmem
Sun, 2022-02-13 15:06
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
I wasn't sure if Barrios would win but I thought he would have the better of the second half of the fight and other than that moment in the 8th, it didn't really materialise so credit has to go to Thurman. I don't think Barrios will ever be elite but I think he can be a lot better than that so will be interesting to see how he progresses when he's had more time to settle at the weight...and if the boxing doesn't work out and he doesn't go into politics and call his constituencies Mario's Barrios; he's missing a trick.
I don't know enough about Romero. I only heard about him after the Marinez fight which was a terrible introduction and since then he's fought (an admittedly talented but troubled) 130 pounder and a semi-retired Yigit. He doesn't pass my eye-test but no smoke without fire so I'm withholding judgement until I see him in a real fight.
On Isaac, definitely tough. Not sure if you agree but I still think had Tank not broken his wrist on Isaac's iron head, he would have stopped him? I'd rather see Isaac fight Rolly and then we'd get a better guage of where they both are. I don't need to see Tank fight either of them to know he's a level above that.
Jarod Killian
Tue, 2022-02-15 09:44
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
I am not sure if Tank would've stopped him. If Isaac truly gave Tank the head so he could break his wrist with a punch, I'm not sure if I'd say Tank would've stopped him. I'm really not sold on Tank. I almost was like I said but he seems to me like this big TMT hype machine. We'll see. He has shown glimpses of a true elite fighter against Mario Neighborhoods that come from behind win definitely cements an argument but for example in my book he's nowhere near say a Shakur Stevenson on the prospect level or even Devin Haney. But Shakur seems to me like the real deal with regards there seems to be a certain level of inconsistency sometimes with elite level fighters were they coast and phone fights in when they should've impressed but then when push comes to shove they bring their A game and impress like he did against Herring. It's almost like sometimes they gauge their opponent in the first round and go "What the fuck, I'm getting paid a million so why not turn this into a sparring session and kill two birds with one stone. That's already 12 rounds of sparring towards my next camp."
beaunuitmem
Tue, 2022-02-15 17:57
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I'm not sure if Tank would have would have stopped Isaac Cross either, he's still not had 'that' defining fight to prove himself but I lean to that because I'm sold on him, just as I'm sold on Haney and Garcia too.
Couldn't agree more on Stevenson, I always knew he had pound for pound talent but thought he was a bit young and weak still and the Herring fight proved I couldn't have been more wrong on that.
Agree on the final observation too. Not that it's treated as part of the next camp but just that they might use easier fights as sparring and take the opportunity to practice certain things. The sort of stuff normal fighters would do with journeymen, the elite can choose to do with international-class fighters.
Champion97
Sun, 2022-02-06 15:40
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Re: Keith Thurman vs Mario Barrios
Thurman did great considering the inactivity, he'd lost speed with age, dropped his output in the late rounds, but not enough that he couldn't box well for 12 rounds and stick to a good game plan. This was a terrible performance from Barrios, he didn't use his jab enough, Thurman wasn't landing the counter when he was throwing the jab, he was able to put Thurman on the defensive, but he wasn't prepared for Thurman's movement, he didn't know which shots to throw, and he didn't have the footwork to cut off the ring well enough to keep Thurman under sustained pressure, Thurman was alternating between throwing a combination and using the ring throughout, and Barrios couldn't adapt, offensively, Thurman was better, got the best of the exchanges with speed, power, and accuracy.